a question of balance

[islandgun]

reading about balance in shotguns, the author states that "the balancing point should be at the main pin around which the barrels open" now my o/u beretta is about there, my single 12 is heavier in the stock, whereas my sxs 10 bore (which weighs 9 1/4lb) the barrels are much heavier, any thoughts about weighting the stock to improve the balance and if so how, I'm not unhappy about increasing the weight !!

cheers IG

[TIGHTCHOKE]

The balance point should be between your hands in accepted thinking, personally I like a slightly nose heavy set up to accentuate the swing.

[Old farrier]

Hi

It's fairly simple take the but plate off drill a hole and put some lead in the hole lead shot mixed with glue when you have the right Ballance

Note is your 10 ballenced with loaded cartridge in the chamber (be careful )

Makes gun heavier but livelier

Option 2

Saw the barrels off 😗😂😂😂

 

Just a thought

Of

[islandgun]

Thanks TC and Of

Tightchoke, the beretta is very slightly nose heavy and feels very comfortable

 

Of will try with cartridges in the chamber the shot in glue looks like a good idea but I think i'll leave the angle grinder alone for now

Edited December 6, 2015 by islandgun

[welshwarrior]

Personally I case weights to tightly fit the drilled hole the glue them in place but no reason shot mixed with glue wouldn't work!

[islandgun]

well ive just tried over 200 gram in the hollowed out stock and that brings the point of balance back to just forward of the suggested. (carts in chamber) no wonder those geese flew on unperturbed, it does feel easier to point but is now a 91/2lb gun

[Old farrier]

Role a strip of lead and put it in hole unwind untill tight try it if you like it fix in place if not

4oz were the cartridges

Option 2

 

All the best

Of

 

9.1/4 lb gun + 400 grams + cartridges in chamber == 9.1/2 gun your scales or maths is out mate

Edited December 6, 2015 by Old farrier

[islandgun]

Maths were never my strongpoint but yes 9 1/4 lb unloaded to 91/2 lb unloaded, makes me wonder if this was the makers ploy to reduce the weight originally (ugartechea) as the gun did/does seem light for an older sxs spanish 10 bore, compared to the likes of a greylag etc, i wonder what the AYA matador weighs, ive filled one money bag inside another with steel bb for weight might try the roll of lead though

[FalconFN]

My shooting style isn't subtle enough or ability honed enough to notice the balance of a gun, the only time I notice it is when carrying a gun broken in the crook of my arm, but I would have thought that there isn't a definite 'right' balance but a preferred balance.

 

Correcting the balance just removes a very useful excuse for missing...

[BlaserF3]

If you're going to check the balance of a gun the barrels need to be closed not open.

[islandgun]

My shooting style isn't subtle enough or ability honed enough to notice the balance of a gun, the only time I notice it is when carrying a gun broken in the crook of my arm, but I would have thought that there isn't a definite 'right' balance but a preferred balance.

 

Correcting the balance just removes a very useful excuse for missing...

Thats a very good point, its a good excuse to explain away my lack of talent so far but..........

 

 

In the future I will be blaming my home-loads

 

thanks everyone for your input IG

[Hamster]

If you're going to check the balance of a gun the barrels need to be closed not open.

I was wondering when someone is going to spot that ! Authors who'd have em.

[islandgun]

I see, the wording is at the pin around which the barrels open not with the barrels open

[Hamster]

I see, the wording is at the pin around which the barrels open not with the barrels open

 

Yes I see that now, balance is very subjective with many if not most seemingly preferring a nose heavy set up but interestingly not many such set ups are preferred by world class shots ! It's true it can aid a steady swing but it can also rob fluidity and in my experience needs a more conscious input, needing to be driven more and easier to underlead which is the opposite to what you'd assume would be the case.

 

I have always argued against the assumption that longer barrels are better suited to bigger/taller people but I would argue that back end weight bias is better for those less powerfully built who will begin to feel the nose weight half way through the stand. It's better to learn to adjust to a between the hands balance or one very slightly rear biased than to subconsciously let the odd miss creep in because the shoulder/neck muscles begin to strain towards the latter parts of your time in the stand.

Edited December 7, 2015 by Hamster

[BlaserF3]

I prefer a slightly butt heavy feel now that I am getting older and weaker

[islandgun]

 

Yes I see that now, balance is very subjective with many if not most seemingly preferring a nose heavy set up but interestingly not many such set ups are preferred by world class shots ! It's true it can aid a steady swing but it can also rob fluidity and in my experience needs a more conscious input, needing to be driven more and easier to underlead which is the opposite to what you'd assume would be the case.

 

I have always argued against the assumption that longer barrels are better suited to bigger/taller people but I would argue that back end weight bias is better for those less powerfully built who will begin to feel the nose weight half way through the stand. It's better to learn to adjust to a between the hands balance or one very slightly rear biased than to subconsciously let the odd miss creep in because the shoulder/neck muscles begin to strain towards the latter parts of your time in the stand.

thanks for that, its making alot more sense now. i've added more weight to the butt bringing the weight of the gun up to nearly 10lb and it actually feels lighter to mount and swing, i may find out tonight if it makes a difference to accuracy though

 

 

BlaserF3 yes Im not getting any younger either and the weight of the barrels was such that I thought about resting them in a v shaped stick

[Hamster]

Another thing to ponder is that the hinge pin in itself doesn't denote the centre of the gun in any case. It's simply the point where the gun breaks open, different guns have different action lengths not to mention the fact that most stocks tend to be fairly standard in length around 14-1/2" with barrels anything from 26" all the way to 34" ! Balance should be judged between the hands, taking the hinge pin as the focal point on which to base that balance isn't necessarily the right thing to do.