figgy Posted February 27, 2016 Report Share Posted February 27, 2016 (edited) Hi all, I'm going to buying my first pcp air rifle for vermin shooting and bit of target paper punching at local club and garden. Always had springers in past. So been looking at buying a used S410 or S510 preferably with scope and fill bottle. Prices are allover the place, seem high to me for a used gun so started looking at Bsa R10 mk2 . Then seen the Brocock compatto for under six hundred new win two years warranty and good reviews. What am I best off buying? New gun and pick up used scope and fill bottle. Or go for a compatto bundle scope silencer bag etc. Or go Air Arms or BSA after reading this forum and others nothing is cut and dried regards reliability accuracy value etc. Edited February 27, 2016 by figgy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evo Posted February 27, 2016 Report Share Posted February 27, 2016 figgy, get yourself a air arms s410 mate , value for money they cannot be beat, a super light accurate gun that has proved itself in the field Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winnie&bezza Posted February 27, 2016 Report Share Posted February 27, 2016 +1 for s410. For a first pcp it's all you want and will ever need. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruno22rf Posted February 27, 2016 Report Share Posted February 27, 2016 (edited) Had my S410 longer than any other gun in the past - there may be better guns out there but I fail to see they can be more powerful (be careful with the S410-they can easily creep over the limit with a heavy pellet) or more accurate - if I hold her steady and squeeze the trigger then a hole appears where the cross hairs are every time without fail. Trigger could be a bit more crisp but not a concern , more an observation, and wood could have more figuring but hey ho. At the risk of sounding brash - I can afford any Air Rifle I fancy with price being immaterial but why bother - it's as near as dammit perfect. OMG - STOP PRESS - just noticed that evo has also recommended the S410!! - this man has no blood in his veins - he runs on 98% Daystate Gun Oil. Edited February 27, 2016 by bruno22rf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted February 27, 2016 Author Report Share Posted February 27, 2016 (edited) Was told the same by a friend who has had loads of PCP air rifles inc FAC air said forget the S510 as he has had them and said the side cocking lever ain't that great. He has a S410 in his cabinet still. Thought there may have been more for the compatto. I was tempted by a S 510 ultimate sporter but they seem to have bombed in price lately. Right so if S410 which model? Never seen so many variants of one model. What's the F stand for ? Bruno the cost for me is how much I will use it per its purchase set up costs. I can't see me doing HFT like evo so I won't spend thousands and by what your all saying I won't need to. Now just need to find a good one, missed out on a nice one this morning, a super lite. Edited February 27, 2016 by figgy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted February 27, 2016 Author Report Share Posted February 27, 2016 Can't believe no arguments over Daystate or buy Hatsan :lol: Or buy a HK 100. Buy British and buy air arms Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bladerunnertoo Posted February 27, 2016 Report Share Posted February 27, 2016 ok then i will say it HW100 ,Bullet proof (excuse the pun) Air Arms S410 ,not a bad gun but i hate the Mag indexing arm ,(i think it a real week spot) an if you gat a HW (K) then a Hand pump should do for a while. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evo Posted February 27, 2016 Report Share Posted February 27, 2016 Can't believe no arguments over Daystate or buy Hatsan :lol: Or buy a HK 100. Buy British and buy air arms if you can afford one then get the daystate huntsman classic,,,, NOT REGAL,,,, great little rifle , more shots than the s410 per charge, but is it more accurate then I would say nope,,, but the huntsman is certainly better built than the s410 that's for sure, steer clear of hatsans ,, they are basically cheap poop,,, sorry mole Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fenboy Posted February 27, 2016 Report Share Posted February 27, 2016 Can't believe no arguments over Daystate or buy Hatsan :lol: Or buy a HK 100. Buy British and buy air arms Quite , Mr mole must be on holiday forget the compatto , its a diddy thing and your a big lump ( if I recall correctly ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bazzab Posted February 27, 2016 Report Share Posted February 27, 2016 I have a S410f carbine at the mo. Amazingly accurate. It's going soon for either a Brocock Compatto or an Ultra se. Only because I want tactical stock sondoesnt matter if gets dirty or scratches etc. I've owned Ultr,Scorpion and R10 as well. All amazing. Stick with a well known brand and you'll be fine bud. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted February 27, 2016 Author Report Share Posted February 27, 2016 Quite , Mr mole must be on holiday forget the compatto , its a diddy thing and your a big lump ( if I recall correctly ) Yep you recall is perfect I'm a big fella. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
secretagentmole Posted February 27, 2016 Report Share Posted February 27, 2016 Why buy a Hatsan, you outlined your choices, middle to top end of the market, not lower to middle end. I like Hatsan but hey you want to spend money on a British rifle then go ahead! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted February 27, 2016 Author Report Share Posted February 27, 2016 HW100 bullet proof I've had a good look online and asked around not one person I've spoken to has had a fault free one. All love them but the seals have leaked. Never been a HW fan tried a few over the years but I always preferred the old Webley or BSA all springers. Just personnel preference as to weight balance and handling. Most of my mates swear by HW guns. The Daystate Huntsman may be a future purchase if it's not all electronics like other Daystates. Thanks for your suggestions lads Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted February 27, 2016 Author Report Share Posted February 27, 2016 Why buy a Hatsan, you outlined your choices, middle to top end of the market, not lower to middle end. I like Hatsan but hey you want to spend money on a British rifle then go ahead! Only reason I mentioned Hatsan is someone usually does regardless of what gun is asked about, I was surprised no one had. Saw the Blackpool Air Guns video of a Bullpupp converted stock one and it looked great. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
secretagentmole Posted February 27, 2016 Report Share Posted February 27, 2016 (edited) Only reason I mentioned Hatsan is someone usually does regardless of what gun is asked about, I was surprised no one had. Saw the Blackpool Air Guns video of a Bullpupp converted stock one and it looked great. That is the AT44 in the Craftsman Vit stock, Hatsan now supply the Gladius bullpup, which is made by them. The AT44 is their oldest PCP rifle. Reliable mechanism, just has a tendency to ping from the air tube resonance (happens to some AA 400s too and the fix is exactly the same, take the valve off and put a bottle brush up the air tube). Not as refined as an AA S400 but it is only half the cost! If you want to make your own bullpup buy an AT and the conversion kit but the new Gladius does have a cocking lever placed above the pistol grip, not in your shoulder! http://www.solware.co.uk/hatsan-gladius-bullpup-air-rifle Edited February 27, 2016 by secretagentmole Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evo Posted February 28, 2016 Report Share Posted February 28, 2016 HW100 bullet proof I've had a good look online and asked around not one person I've spoken to has had a fault free one. All love them but the seals have leaked. Never been a HW fan tried a few over the years but I always preferred the old Webley or BSA all springers. Just personnel preference as to weight balance and handling. Most of my mates swear by HW guns. The Daystate Huntsman may be a future purchase if it's not all electronics like other Daystates. Thanks for your suggestions lads figgy its not mate , its ALL mechanical,, they are around the same weight as the s410 but value for money the s410 is superb, as I said bud get a s410 and you wont go wrong , the huntsman is basically a better built rifle and will hold its value better if ever you come to sell, I would also advise you to go the .177 route Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
secretagentmole Posted February 28, 2016 Report Share Posted February 28, 2016 Or look around and see if you can find a nice secondhand X2, that became the Huntsman, I had one in .177, traded it in for the Super 10. Part of me still regrets that! Could put 10 shots in a single hole group at 35 metres, shooting off a bipod. It didn't do too bad on bunnies either! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7daysinaweek Posted February 28, 2016 Report Share Posted February 28, 2016 (edited) hi figgy i have had a .177 s410 carbine for about 12 years, pinpoint accurate and fulfills all my pesting needs re airifle, rabbits, rats and corvids. as figgy says get a .177 in this rifle, i only say this because i have personally been out with two others who have the same rifle in .22 and drop off in accuracy and power difference was very clear between both these .22s and my .177. i witnessed several pests being shot at sub 20-25 yard by both 22s on different occasions without any evidence of lethality and had to be dispatched at at close range. both the shooters proved accuracy on target before we went out and both rifles were new and pressurised to appropriate bar. the .177 shoots flat and out to effective range far more than the 22s i witnessed and can only speak from personal experience of seeing/ using both calibre of the same model. the only regret is that i did not have a chrono to have tested the energy of both the .22s. get the .177 and you will never regret it and will be a rifle for life. it is a pitty you did not post two weeks ago, my friend has just sold a mint, condition s410, charging bottle in date, scope and 2 mags, bag and all the other kit. he purchased it new about 5 years ago and really looked after it and had not had much use, had been used regularly to maintain. he did not advertise and had no local interest for a couple of months, spoke to him last week and he finally sold it for £500, absolute steal for someone. atb 7diaw Edited February 28, 2016 by 7daysinaweek Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted February 28, 2016 Author Report Share Posted February 28, 2016 Well lads thanks for all the advice. I saw an advertisement for a two year old A410 with fill bottle swift silencer and Nikko Gameking ir mil dot something by 50mm scope pellets cleaning kit the lot in mint condition, so agreed a price and I've just got back after a 450 mile round trip. Time for a round of clays then start playing with the S410. Sorry it's a .22 which for some reason I've always preferred, don't know why as I had deadly accurate .177 feinwerkbau years ago I sold to my cousin as I just couldn't get on with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7daysinaweek Posted February 28, 2016 Report Share Posted February 28, 2016 hope you find it suits your needs and report back re accuracy etc and keep us up to date, as said in my previous post i can only speak from experience and maybe just a bad run with the two i seen, hopefully you will prove otherwise. all the best with it figgy and as said keep us posted! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted February 28, 2016 Author Report Share Posted February 28, 2016 Only had a quick play and put a few pellets through it stood leaning against car and free standing. At around thirty yards all inside a inch with some touching out of about six shots so I'm happy. It's me that's wobbling around. Over the moon with what I got and gun looks like it's fresh from the box. I paid a bit more than your friends but not a great deal more for a complete set up with cleaning rods oils grease everything and a spinner set up. Looking forward to getting some pellets through it now. As for .22 or .177 if it had been in .177 I'd have still bought it. With the sprinters I used to buy .22 if I could. Don't think the difference in accuracy will bother me much over distances I'll be shooting. If I can group a bottle top at forty plus yards that's more than I need. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mini Magnum Posted February 28, 2016 Report Share Posted February 28, 2016 Figgy I have a S400K here with rowan multi shot conversion and an original HW100, you could have had a look, I'm in Hartlepool as well. Someone mentioned daystars my mate has a few, personally I don't like the huntsman, the magazines are ****, he's always trying to force pellet in the mag when reloading, there a pig to load at night, you can double load.. The HW100 mag is very easy to load, holds 14 pellets, you cannot double load, all things that can be a nuisance in the dark. You won't go wrong with the S410 as said its stood the test of time, a very accurate gun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris B.123 Posted February 28, 2016 Report Share Posted February 28, 2016 air arms s410 in 22 cal with a scope 3/9/50 on it I had one for years . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted February 28, 2016 Author Report Share Posted February 28, 2016 Figgy I have a S400K here with rowan multi shot conversion and an original HW100, you could have had a look, I'm in Hartlepool as well. Someone mentioned daystars my mate has a few, personally I don't like the huntsman, the magazines are ****, he's always trying to force pellet in the mag when reloading, there a pig to load at night, you can double load.. The HW100 mag is very easy to load, holds 14 pellets, you cannot double load, all things that can be a nuisance in the dark. You won't go wrong with the S410 as said its stood the test of time, a very accurate gun. Wish I'd known but I'm happy with the gun I've bought, just got to get to grips with the scope with parallax adjustment. Oaklodge Shooting Ground up Brierton lane are going to be opening a outdoor range soon, the metal knock downs and spinners are made. The owner just needs to get his finger out and get the cabin sorted to shoot from. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris B.123 Posted February 28, 2016 Report Share Posted February 28, 2016 at the end of the day if you are happy with what u got nice one and if you want to change airguns you will have an idea which one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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