Andy_Roo Posted May 19, 2016 Report Share Posted May 19, 2016 Hi All, Just a quick question I want to put out there to the PW massive. I have recently moved address, and being a responsible SGC owner, moved cabinet, sent notification to issuing force (West Mercia) via their website as well as posting license back with covering letter detailing old and new addresses. What I didn't do was stock to ammo cupboard before doing this!! I have a colour photocopy of my 'old' license as well as copies of all the communication sent to West Mercia. According to their website, amendments are currently taking approx 50 days to complete (but I can't wait that long!). Aside from the obvious 'ask a friend to buy on their cert' (which is an option), has anyone done a similar thing in the past and be able to still buy using the details on their 'old' cert? Whenever I have bought carts in the past, the RFD normally just glance at license (it's in a wallet) to check valid dates and note down license number on there system etc. I won't be trying to pull a fast one, but wondered what general thoughts were on just presenting the copy in my holder and saying nothing to RFD versus being open and honest (my preferred tactic) and providing all paperwork to support, or just ask a mate and wait for new cert to arrive? Any thoughts ladies and gents? Andy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted May 19, 2016 Report Share Posted May 19, 2016 just ask a friend. some rfds can be a right pain, even with the right licence can still refuse the sale of ammunition on ethical grounds / shop policy (whatever THAT means). get your friend to buy whatever to get you through. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moondoggy Posted May 19, 2016 Report Share Posted May 19, 2016 Buy online. You only need to email a copy of your certificate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenlivet Posted May 19, 2016 Report Share Posted May 19, 2016 Never been asked for mine buying cartridges.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cosd Posted May 19, 2016 Report Share Posted May 19, 2016 just ask a friend. some rfds can be a right pain, even with the right licence can still refuse the sale of ammunition on ethical grounds / shop policy (whatever THAT means). get your friend to buy whatever to get you through. Why would an RFD not sell carts on ethical grounds? What does that mean? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hendrix's rifle Posted May 19, 2016 Report Share Posted May 19, 2016 Never been asked for mine buying cartridges.... That's only because its Arthur, he's not really overly fussed if he knows you. I used to work on his cars til I moved. Nice fella Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenlivet Posted May 19, 2016 Report Share Posted May 19, 2016 That's only because its Arthur, he's not really overly fussed if he knows you. I used to work on his cars til I moved. Nice fellaNot only there. I wasn't asked at the Northern shooting show when I bought an extra box at the clay line. Also other shops and shooting grounds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted May 20, 2016 Report Share Posted May 20, 2016 Why would an RFD not sell carts on ethical grounds? What does that mean? it means i was once refused sale of cartridges, because they preferred to try and sell me something else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Wilksy Posted May 20, 2016 Report Share Posted May 20, 2016 A clay ground with that allows none licenced shooters, is it a section 11? Humberside shooting ground don't need to see you ticket Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motty Posted May 20, 2016 Report Share Posted May 20, 2016 A clay ground with that allows none licenced shooters, is it a section 11? Humberside shooting ground don't need to see you ticket You don't need a certificate to use a shotgun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Wilksy Posted May 20, 2016 Report Share Posted May 20, 2016 That's right! Don't tell me I'm telling something you don't know! If a ground has the correct permit you can borrow a gun (hand over your driving licence)and buy shells and shoot clays! Can't be any less safe than your recent video! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motty Posted May 21, 2016 Report Share Posted May 21, 2016 I think the video you're referring to was not 'mine'. Anyway, we were completely safe. Maybe one day you'll shoot some pigeons and make your own video. That's right! Don't tell me I'm telling something you don't know! If a ground has the correct permit you can borrow a gun (hand over your driving licence)and buy shells and shoot clays! Can't be any less safe than your recent video! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gpreen Posted May 21, 2016 Report Share Posted May 21, 2016 The is no legal requirement to show your scg when or even have one to purchase shotgun carts it is not an offence to be in possession or give or be given them as a no cert holder. If take a copy if they ask explain they should not refuse to sell them if they do don't use them again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy_Roo Posted May 25, 2016 Author Report Share Posted May 25, 2016 Hi all, Thanks for the replies. All sorted, just showed the copy I made which was fine as they only needed to note down license number. Thanks again for all who replied with useful info. Andy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mossy835 Posted May 25, 2016 Report Share Posted May 25, 2016 The is no legal requirement to show your scg when or even have one to purchase shotgun carts it is not an offence to be in possession or give or be given them as a no cert holder. If take a copy if they ask explain they should not refuse to sell them if they do don't use them again all the places iv bought carts from ask for your licence,or no carts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timps Posted May 25, 2016 Report Share Posted May 25, 2016 (edited) The is no legal requirement to show your scg when or even have one to purchase shotgun carts it is not an offence to be in possession or give or be given them as a no cert holder. If take a copy if they ask explain they should not refuse to sell them if they do don't use them again You are quite right that you can give someone cartridges without seeing a certificate. However, it is an offence to sell ammunition for smooth-bore guns unless the seller has seen your certificate, someone else’s certificate with their written authority or you can show you don’t need a certificate by virtue of an act of parliament at the time of purchase. So buying or selling cartridges require paperwork to be shown or the seller could face imprisonment or a fine. http://www.legislati...88/45/section/5 Quote (Amendment) Act 1988. 5Restriction on sale of ammunition for smooth-bore guns. (1)This section applies to ammunition to which section 1 of the principal Act does not apply and which is capable of being used in a shot gun or in a smooth-bore gun to which that section applies. (2)It is an offence for a person to sell any such ammunition to another person in the United Kingdom who is neither a registered firearms dealer nor a person who sells such ammunition by way of trade or business unless that other person— (a)produces a certificate authorising him to possess a gun of a kind mentioned in subsection (1) above; or (b)shows that he is by virtue of that Act or this Act entitled to have possession of such a gun without holding a certificate; or (c )produces a certificate authorising another person to possess such a gun, together with that person’s written authority to purchase the ammunition on his behalf. (3)An offence under this section shall be punishable on summary conviction with imprisonment for a term not exceeding six months or a fine not exceeding level 5 on the standard scale or both. Edited May 25, 2016 by timps Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingo15 Posted May 26, 2016 Report Share Posted May 26, 2016 My local gunshop owner who i get on really well, saw my licence 2 years ago and has never asked to see it since when buying carts, i go down there at least once a week for drinks and have a chat, He often takes in new shotguns and says ooh go try this out you will love it. Yet phoned him up on his mobile the other saturday to see what he needed from me as i was sending the other half in to get some carts for me for sunday and was shocked he wanted her to have a copy of my licence and a letter from me to say i authorise her to get the carts. some folk are queer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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