capabilities of a .22 LR

[flash]

i had an argument with a mate at college, cause he reckoned the .22 lr was a suitable round to take deer out with. he was telling me that at a deer farm ner him they shoot the reds with a .22lr and they all drop like a sack of spuds. i some how dont believe him. what are ur views on this.

 

cheers

 

flash

[naddan28]

Well lets hope the FLO doesn't find out about it or by by FAC!

[pin]

Dodgy ground this one I think, but here goes.

 

Close enough a .22lr will take roe / munty possibly others out, headshot. Poachers use .22's

 

Not clever, not the right gun at all. I think your mate is winding you up

[Oly]

He may mean dispatching deer...or a .22centrefire.

[flash]

ive just spoken to the guy who does it and he reckons they drop straight away from a .22 to the throat, at 40 yrds. i still dont believe him.

 

cheers

 

flash

 

and i asked and he said it was a rim fire.

some people do surprise me, i mean who the hell would give these people a FAC

[Oly]

some people do surprise me, i mean who the hell would give these people a FAC

 

Believe half of what you see and less of what you hear

[al4x]

its an odd situation as its in a farmed environment. The .22 will do the job close up and it may well be that the guy doing it has a condition for despatching deer on the .22. After all you couldn't use a centrefire in a pen with other deer arround, whether he's meant to be doing it from 40 yards away is another matter.

[Oly]

What ?? How are you meant to legally kill penned deer then ?

 

One option - retracting bolt gun...if you can catch them!

[karl h]

it is true that the poachers choice of weapon was a .22r/fire but i would not believe that he is doing that unless i saw it, then if i did see would lay in to him as it is not the proper conduct to take and certainly if the wrong people saw it it would even more harm to our sport.

[JohnGalway]

Believe half of what you see and less of what you hear

 

Or less

[A Sick Old Man]

I am certain that it is un lawful to use a .22 on a deer, even to slaughter one, I might be wrong but in any case I would not entertain such a cavalier approach.

 

I am sure you can use a shotgun to destroy a deer that is beyond all help, but not a .22.

 

Funny thing the law

[hellier0437]

i though that the requirements for deer was 1700ft lbs, thats some .22rf!!!!!

[A Sick Old Man]

The poacher uses a variety of means to obtain his duty-free venison. Most popular is the use of a rifle, often but not exclusively .22 and silenced. The .22 calibre itself is not legal for the killing of deer in England as it is not sufficiently powerful to do the job cleanly unless the deer is hit in exactly the right place. It can, however, launch a bullet the best part of a mile. Obviously when shooting at night either using a night vision sight or by the light of a lamp held by another of the gang, under pressure to get away before detection, marksmanship is going to suffer. But this is of little concern to the poacher who shoots with no regard for the law, and who shoots deer of either sex all year around. A few badly shot deer running around in great pain and distress just doesn't matter - if you just keep shooting, a few are bound to drop and you can take those and leave the rest, can't you.

 

Deer Management

A proposal to amend the Deer Act 1991. It will:

 

Allow .22 centre-fire rifles to be used for shooting smaller species of deer;

Allow any reasonable means of humanely despatching deer that are suffering due to injuries or disease;

Allow dependent deer to be taken or killed if they have been deprived of, or are about to be deprived of, their mother, at any time of year;

Enable licensed taking or killing during the close season to prevent deterioration of the natural heritage;

Enable licensed taking or killing during the close season to preserve public health and safety;

Enable licensed taking or killing at night to prevent deterioration of the natural heritage;

Enable licensed taking or killing at night to preserve public health and safety;

Enable licensed taking or killing at night to prevent serious damage to property;

Shorten the close season for all female deer to help allow better control of population numbers where necessary, without increasing the welfare risks for dependent young;

Introduce a close season for Chinese water deer from 15 March to 31 October inclusive;

Ensure the close season applies to hybrids of a species as well as the parent species;

Amend the meaning of mechanically propelled vehicle in the Deer Act to permit discharging firearms or projecting missiles from a mechanically propelled vehicle that is stationary.

Initial Scrutiny period began 18 December 2006.

 

Deer stalking

Deer stalking takes place in many parts of England, Wales and Scotland, however it should be noted that Scottish law is different in certain respects of this activity.

 

In England and Wales rifles must be at least .240 inches in calibre. The bullet must be expanding/hollow nosed with a muzzle energy of at least 1,700 ft/lbs.

 

In Scotland, for Roe deer rifles must be at least .222 inches in calibre. The bullet must be expanding/hollow nosed with a muzzle energy of at least 1,000 ft/lbs and a muzzle velocity of at least 2,450 ft/sec.

For other species of deer the rifle must be at least .243 inches in calibre. The bullet must be expanding/hollow nosed with a muzzle energy of at least 1,750 ft/lbs and a muzzle velocity of at least 2,450 ft/sec.

 

I am sorry that this is a bit long winded, but the last article spells it out, it is being proposed to allow .22 centerfire to be used on certain small deer, but alas not yet. Know your law,

[dunganick]

i know of a couple of places where 22lr is used to cull deer, (fallow) and also used to destroy injured animals in RTA's

 

It is a solid lead projectile so penetration is good, it is also quiet, so at the short ranges of these two situations it is a very good round for the job. The problems come when you try to justify this legally. It is not on your average persons FAC possible. However i believe expections can be made given the correct circumstances.

[A Sick Old Man]

Oh well it must be legal then

[Poacher]

For years we've had a debate about .22 for foxes, and now its gone up to deer, what will it be next flying elephants

[JohnGalway]

For years we've had a debate about .22 for foxes, and now its gone up to deer, what will it be next flying elephants :blink:

 

Poacher,

 

I would've expected you to know shooting up in the air with a rifle just isn't safe

 

Obviously a flying elephant needs a shotgun loaded with either AAA or SSG within 500 yards

[dunganick]

i should add to my post we are talking about very unsporting ranges, and this is pirely done for culling.

[A Sick Old Man]

It makes no difference mate, on this forum we as a group must follow the law. And the law is very clear on this matter, to suggest that any of us will " Do as we please as we know better " is I am sure not what this forum is about, if you want to sail close to the wind, then do it in your own private goings on.

 

The following from the BASC outlines the rules : -

 

There are laws covering the kind of rifle which may be used for deer. In England and Wales the minimum calibre for any sort of deer is .240 with a muzzle energy of not less than 1,700 ft/lbs. In Scotland you may use a smaller rifle for roe deer, provided the bullet weighs at least 50 grains and the muzzle energy is not less than 1,000 ft/lbs. For all other deer in Scotland the minimum bullet weight is 100 grains and the minimum muzzle energy is 1,750 ft/lbs

 

But I feel there may be an exeption within this lot, but would you be prepared to lose your firearms, get nicked and await a court trial to see if the law will stand by you, I would not

 

General exceptions to certain provisions of this Act.

 

http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts1991/Ukpga..._en_2.htm#mdiv4

 

This link is a bit long winded, but it will I hope clear this point up.

 

Chris