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[bostonmick]

 

 

you answer nothing as others have also noted,but try if you can a straight answer to this,why does the female not have the baby while she is pre op.she would still be able to have it done by donor,would in most cases give birth naturally whereby costing no more than any other birth(which nobody objects to the nhs funding) then change via surgery or is there a point of principal they are trying to prove somewhere at others expense. Are you serious ? How am I supposed to know that? Why don't you write to them via the link and ask them? I'm sure they'd be really interested to learn what you think MIck. I look forward to reading about it when you do so. You could address it as 'Dear It.....' Please let us all know how you get on. Or, as I suspect, have you not got the courage? i have like many others no problem with the nhsgiving help/ivf to couples or even singles wanting a baby however i do believe that even this is limited due to cost and after so many atempts they have to finance it for themselves.and yes you are correct there is a culture in this country that life on benefits is a choice many make but that is another topic for maybe another thread.and i feel confident you would not like my views on that either.as i have said my opinion is as stated you will not change it in the same way i or anybody else will change yours so maybe it is best left there unless of course you have nothing else to do in life but try to convince everyone that you are the oracle.you are without doubt a modern man. or maybe not

As I've already said ( and in your case will no doubt have to say it again and again ) if you can't express an opinion without casting slurs on a persons character without knowing anything about them, other than what you've read in a link to an online paper, then perhaps it's better to not bother. What do you think?

really really,bigot/ ignorant/fossil.i never realised they were terms of indearment.i cast no slurs that i leave to you.i asked you the question maybe that was wrong perhaps i should have set it as asking for your opinion as to if it is right and sensible to go that route instead,now given my limited knowledge on the workings of these gender changes would i be wrong in maybe thinking that the subject may take a course of male hormones to bring out some of the male characteristics they desire and could this in itself not complicate this procedure even further.as i said i know little of the mechanics of this,but i feel sure that as you suggest others to do have fully looked into the subject .

[Scully]

 

really really,bigot/ ignorant/fossil.​i never realised they were terms of endearment.​They're not, and you forgot blinkered and backward looking. Do I have to explain...again? i cast no slurs Really? Do you really and in all honesty believe you have not slurred those peoples characters Mick? Really? Because if you do seriously believe that then it is pointless continuing this as you have some serious sort of denial thing going on. Can you seriously not see what is wrong with some of the things you have accused these people of being? Sexual deviants and freaks? that i leave to you.i asked you the question ​And I answered it to the best of my knowledge Mick, despite you claiming I never answer questions. Ask me anything you like and I'll do my best to answer, rather than like you who simply glosses over my questions or points raised as they don't suit your mindset, as you just did with this one: Why don't you have the courage to ask of the people who you consider to be 'sexual deviants' and 'freaks' , how they are going to explain to their children when they ask 'where did I come from'? maybe that was wrong perhaps i should have set it as asking for your opinion as to if it is right and sensible to go that route instead,now given my limited knowledge on the workings of these gender changes would i be wrong in maybe thinking that the subject may take a course of male hormones to bring out some of the male characteristics they desire and could this in itself not complicate this procedure even further. Again, I have no idea if it complicates the procedure or not Mick. I'm not really bothered if it does, nor of the cost involved. Are you trying to deflect the issue of your bigotry here Mick, cos it aint working. as i said i know little of the mechanics of this,Neither do I. but i feel sure that as you suggest others to do have fully looked into the subject .Indeed; I doubt it was decided on the flip of a coin.

 

[mel b3]

Nicely said and also sums up my personal feelings on the subject.

Its probably the way that most normal folks would see it , and by normal I mean normal gay folks too.

[bostonmick]

really really,bigot/ ignorant/fossil.​i never realised they were terms of endearment.​They're not, and you forgot blinkered and backward looking. Do I have to explain...again? i cast no slurs Really? Do you really and in all honesty believe you have not slurred those peoples characters Mick? Really? Because if you do seriously believe that then it is pointless continuing this as you have some serious sort of denial thing going on. Can you seriously not see what is wrong with some of the things you have accused these people of being? Sexual deviants and freaks? that i leave to you.i asked you the question ​And I answered it to the best of my knowledge Mick, despite you claiming I never answer questions. Ask me anything you like and I'll do my best to answer, rather than like you who simply glosses over my questions or points raised as they don't suit your mindset, as you just did with this one: Why don't you have the courage to ask of the people who you consider to be 'sexual deviants' and 'freaks' , how they are going to explain to their children when they ask 'where did I come from'? maybe that was wrong perhaps i should have set it as asking for your opinion as to if it is right and sensible to go that route instead,now given my limited knowledge on the workings of these gender changes would i be wrong in maybe thinking that the subject may take a course of male hormones to bring out some of the male characteristics they desire and could this in itself not complicate this procedure even further. Again, I have no idea if it complicates the procedure or not Mick. I'm not really bothered if it does, nor of the cost involved. Are you trying to deflect the issue of your bigotry here Mick, cos it aint working. as i said i know little of the mechanics of this,Neither do I. but i feel sure that as you suggest others to do have fully looked into the subject .Indeed; I doubt it was decided on the flip of a coin.

 

Ok simple terms. How would you justify spending thousand on treatment and surgery on a female who is quite capable of giving birth to a child to turn then into a male then spend more on treatment and surgery impregnating them and then even more money to return them to the male that they can never be.would a better plan not be have a baby then change.

 

 

This thread will most likely be closed soon and that will save you having to give a straight answer.

 

Society's tolerance in a lot of things is being stretched this was shown in the brexit vote so do not run away with the idea that it will not wear thin with public money being spent in this manner while others are denied timely treatment for all manner of ailments.

Edited August 6, 2016 by bostonmick

[Scully]

Ok simple terms. How would you justify spending thousand on treatment and surgery on a female who is quite capable of giving birth to a child to turn then into a male then spend more on treatment and surgery impregnating them and then even more money to return them to the male that they can never be.would a better plan not be have a baby then change.

​Ok, simple terms. Why should I have to justify it? As I've said, the cost isn't of any concern to me and has never been; why should it be? It isn't me objecting to it and not what I'm concerned about, do you still not get it?

​Ok simple terms, and just to answer your question, lest you accuse me otherwise, then yes, it would possibly have been cheaper for the person to give birth prior to having male hormone treatment, but as I've already said, if you read the link it states the person involved already has their female reproductive organs intact ( I can't believe I'm having to explain this to you yet again!) so it's a simple case of impregnation and then c section. There is no reason he then has to have to have his female reproductive organs removed, unless you know different.

 

This thread will most likely be closed soon and that will save you having to give a straight answer. You wish.

 

Society's tolerance in a lot of things is being stretched this was shown in the brexit vote so do not run away with the idea that it will not wear thin with public money being spent in this manner while others are denied timely treatment for all manner of ailments.

 

Ok, simple terms. As I've asked your questions how about answering mine? Do you intend to ask those people directly involved, whom you have branded as 'freaks' and 'sexual deviants' how they plan to answer when their child asks 'where did I come from'? It was, after all, your question MIck, which you seem very keen to find an answer for, and have repeatedly asked me to answer, which I have to the best of my capability. It's now your turn. If you don't intend to ask them, care to tell me why not?

I await your answers Mick, but wont be holding my breath. I fully expect you to gloss over this and try to deflect it with another question of your own, or perhaps you could tell us ...once again....how hard you've worked.

Answer the question Mick.

[bostonmick]

 

Ok, simple terms. As I've asked your questions how about answering mine? Do you intend to ask those people directly involved, whom you have branded as 'freaks' and 'sexual deviants' how they plan to answer when their child asks 'where did I come from'? It was, after all, your question MIck, which you seem very keen to find an answer for, and have repeatedly asked me to answer, which I have to the best of my capability. It's now your turn. If you don't intend to ask them, care to tell me why not?

I await your answers Mick, but wont be holding my breath. I fully expect you to gloss over this and try to deflect it with another question of your own, or perhaps you could tell us ...once again....how hard you've worked.

Answer the question Mick.

I asked you as a staunch supporter of this type of procedure when YOU considered it the right age and how YOU envisaged the conversation. I do not know any transgendered people and am not really interested in their view as I am not discussing it with them on this forum.

 

What has work got to do with this subject or is it just another of your avoidance tactics

Edited August 6, 2016 by bostonmick

[Scully]

I asked you as a staunch supporter of this type of procedure when YOU considered it the right age and how YOU envisaged the conversation. I do not know any transgendered people and am not really interested in their view as I am not discussing it with them on this forum.

 

Brilliant! You still don't/wont get it do you!!?? I'm totally indifferent to the procedure! I couldn't care less Mick; what I care about is your branding of people you dont know as 'sexual deviants' and 'freaks' ! You just fail to recognise it and STILL NO ANSWER...NOT ONE, to any of the questions I've asked throughout this thread. Just question after question! If you're struggling I'll see if I can get in touch with them on your behalf, via the Mail, and then you can ask them directly.

[bostonmick]

 

Brilliant! You still don't/wont get it do you!!?? I'm totally indifferent to the procedure! I couldn't care less Mick; what I care about is your branding of people you dont know as 'sexual deviants' and 'freaks' IS THAT SIMILAR TO BIGOT IGNORANT OR MAYBE FISSIL AS YOU DONT KNOW ME! You just fail to recognise it and STILL NO ANSWER...NOT ONE, to any of the questions I've asked throughout this thread. Just question after question! If you're struggling I'll see if I can get in touch with them on your behalf I CAN SEE NO POINT IN ASKING ANYONE UNDERGOING THIS TREATMENT AS I DOUBT THEY WILL HAVE THOUGHT THAT FAR AHEAD IN THE FIRST INSTANCE YOU KNOW FROM SHE TO HE, via the Mail, and then you can ask them directly.

but I must admit I am now totally bored with your sidestepping and am going to get on with something interesting. Sure I have some paint I can watch dry somewhere.atb

[Scully]

but I must admit I am now totally bored with your sidestepping and am going to get on with something interesting. Sure I have some paint I can watch dry somewhere.atb

 

Of course you are; how convenient.

'Sidestepping'....you've got it down to a fine art. I knew you wouldn't let me down Mick.

[sportsbob]

Now please forgive me for not reading all of the posts in this thread and I admit I might have the wrong end of the stick but can someone please tell me why sexual deviation from the way nature intended is acceptable? .

[bostonmick]

Now please forgive me for not reading all of the posts in this thread and I admit I might have the wrong end of the stick but can someone please tell me why sexual deviation from the way nature intended is acceptable? .

Be carefull how you bandy words like deviation about on here you may get called a bigot or ignorant or fossil

[Zapp]

This is now going round and round and so will now close.