Recycling farce.

[Muddy Funker]

dont put your waste into bags and youll have no problems , all sites deal with waste differently , your local site obviously isnt set up for bagged waste , the cost of having your waste sorted separately can run into thousands of pounds each year , your waste collector will have around seven seconds to collect your bin , he doesnt have time to sort things that you should have sorted yourself.

if he wastes time on your bin , it may well mean that someone else at the end of the round doesnt get a collection.

 

As I stated, sometimes people have to go above and beyond when at work not always look to do the bare minimum. Shock horror I put out a bag of recyclable waste in a bag on one occasion.

 

It would have taken a few more seconds to sort this out and if he's a few minutes late then so be it.

 

Some bin people are just plain lazy or pig ignorant I guess.

[loriusgarrulus]

As I stated, sometimes people have to go above and beyond when at work not always look to do the bare minimum. Shock horror I put out a bag of recyclable waste in a bag on one occasion.

 

It would have taken a few more seconds to sort this out and if he's a few minutes late then so be it.

 

Some bin people are just plain lazy or pig ignorant I guess.

Surely it would have taken you even less seconds to upend the bag into the bin so the stuff was loose as required.

The binman would have had to put his hand inside your bin to get the bag and tip it up and then go to the non recyclable bin to dispose of your bag that you couldn't be àrsed to dispose of properly. If he had to do this at many houses the time would soon be going up.

Edited August 15, 2016 by loriusgarrulus

[Muddy Funker]

I guess I'm on a hiding to nothing, yes I could have been the model citizen and correctly disposed of my waste correctly. For whatever reason on this occasion I made a mistake and didn't follow the stringent bin protocols. Nicely put but it has absolutely nothing to do with not being *****.

 

My point still remains, sometimes you have to do a little extra. Or obviously for some people you don't.

[mel b3]

Surely it would have taken you even less seconds to upend the bag into the bin so the stuff was loose as required.

The binman would have had to put his hand inside your bin to get the bag and tip it up and then go to the non recyclable bin to dispose of your bag that you couldn't be àrsed to dispose of properly. If he had to do this at many houses the time would soon be going up.

Thus is the exact answer .

 

Muddy funker , if youd looked at the reply that I posted for you , youll see that I explained the reason why the waste collector doesnt rip the bags open , he simply doesnt have time , you have a whole week to put your rubbish into your bin , he has around six seconds to get it out and move on to next door , some of these rounds are timed to the second these days , if he wastes 30 seconds on your bin , that could mean that five other households dont get their bin emptied , do you think thats very fair of you ?.

Its pretty easy to follow the written instructions on the lid of your bin , and we all need to play our part mate.

[mel b3]

I guess I'm on a hiding to nothing, yes I could have been the model citizen and correctly disposed of my waste correctly. For whatever reason on this occasion I made a mistake and didn't follow the stringent bin protocols. Nicely put but it has absolutely nothing to do with not being *****.

 

My point still remains, sometimes you have to do a little extra. Or obviously for some people you don't.

Or to put it another way .

 

If the guy had just emptied the bin for you , or ripped open the bag and emptied it for you , you would have thought that you were recycling correctly so you would have carried on doing it your way , by not taking it the guy has educated you in the correct way to recycle , this will ultimately save you money in the long term.

[Muddy Funker]

Furry muff.

 

I didn't need any educating or punishing though, it's the first and only time it happened.

 

But yes, I was wrong he was right. Simple enough.

[bostonmick]

We have had several pages about rubbish now and a lot of it has been rubbish.i had a brother in law who was manager of one of the largest landfill sites in the country they had both compost and recycling facilities on site.the local authority limited the amount of green waste and wood they could take in to the extent that private waste companies could not get any in and there was up to fifteen forty yard bins of sorted wood going to the tip face each day.council bottle banks being brought straight to landfill.cardboard bins also.then there was one time when there was four thousand bales of sorted plastics that the hmrc gave exemption on so they could go to landfill with no tax.these were not isolated incidences it still goes on today.and the reason because there is no market for it most of the time.councils get credits from the government for recycling but Don really care where the stuff ends up as long as their records look good.my council will not take glass or plastics in the recycling bin only paper and card which only adds to the total farce of it all.mel has done a great job of promoting his council but unfortunately the problem lays well beyond his lorry.

[mel b3]

We have had several pages about rubbish now and a lot of it has been rubbish.i had a brother in law who was manager of one of the largest landfill sites in the country they had both compost and recycling facilities on site.the local authority limited the amount of green waste and wood they could take in to the extent that private waste companies could not get any in and there was up to fifteen forty yard bins of sorted wood going to the tip face each day.council bottle banks being brought straight to landfill.cardboard bins also.then there was one time when there was four thousand bales of sorted plastics that the hmrc gave exemption on so they could go to landfill with no tax.these were not isolated incidences it still goes on today.and the reason because there is no market for it most of the time.councils get credits from the government for recycling but Don really care where the stuff ends up as long as their records look good.my council will not take glass or plastics in the recycling bin only paper and card which only adds to the total farce of it all.mel has done a great job of promoting his council but unfortunately the problem lays well beyond his lorry.

This will be a long and boring reply.

 

I can only assume mick , that the things that you have mentioned , happened quite a long time ago ? , tipping glass into landfill is like tipping cash in there , I cant say that it didnt happen , but its madness if it did , it may well be that the glass was contaminated in some way , or even the fact that nobody had tendered for the glass , either way , it doesnt get counted as recycled until its recycled , nobody that works for a local authority would be stupid enough to risk fiddling the books as they stand to gain nothing whatsoever from it.

Some plastics can be a real problem , but many of them are easy to recycle now , every local authority will have different criteria , like removing labels and lids etc , in just the same way that they cant mix plastics , cardboard , paper , glass , each local authority has their own way , the local authority that I work for isnt fantastic, but the local authority where I live has it nailed.

 

During the winter , my job shuts down , I do other jobs , delivering new bins or repairing old ones , refuse collection , recycling collection , one of the jobs that I sometimes do is to delliver plastics to the plastic recycling plant , I see with my own eyes how they shred the plastics and re bag the plastic chips and send them on to be used again , this isnt hearsay or second hand or out of date information, ive actually unloaded the vehicle and stood and watched the guys do it.

Like I said at the beggining , I can only speak with real authority about what I know to be true , and I can only offer an educated opinion on the rest.

One thing I will say mick , if your relative is still running a waste tranfer station , he needs to get up to date , his methods ended twenty years ago and hes losing his company a fortune.

[mel b3]

Just to add a bit of balance and to show that I do know that local authorities can be really pants at times.

 

Not too long ago , I know of a local authority that had forgotten to take bids for the aluminium cans that were collected , they couldnt be seen to do anything underhand like taking it to a local scrapyard , so they paid £3,000 per ton to have it shipped to china iirc to have it landfilled , now thats how to waste money lol

[la bala]

In defense of what Mick said about glass going to landfill. Less than 10 years ago, I know first hand of glass being loaded out of a recycling yard and going to landfill.

[mel b3]

In defense of what Mick said about glass going to landfill. Less than 10 years ago, I know first hand of glass being loaded out of a recycling yard and going to landfill.

Hiya mate,

 

A few years ago , recyclers hadnt got the machinery to sort glass in the way that they do today , it may have been mixed glass , it has a cash value now but it didnt always have , we used to have to put in into separate compartments on the truck , then tip it into separate bays at our yard , it was then loaded onto separate lorries and taken to separate recycling plants. These days it all goes into the same compartment on the truck and goes to the same recycling plant.

It may also have been contaminated , contamination could be anything from getting crud mixed in if its been sitting in something on the ground , or cans have been mixed in with glass at the recycling site , some people are very careful with their stuff but others dont care and just chuck it anywhere, thats when we all get to share the bill to have it tipped into landfill.

[bostonmick]

This will be a long and boring reply.

 

I can only assume mick , that the things that you have mentioned , happened quite a long time ago ? , tipping glass into landfill is like tipping cash in there , I cant say that it didnt happen , but its madness if it did , it may well be that the glass was contaminated in some way , or even the fact that nobody had tendered for the glass , either way , it doesnt get counted as recycled until its recycled , nobody that works for a local authority would be stupid enough to risk fiddling the books as they stand to gain nothing whatsoever from it.

Some plastics can be a real problem , but many of them are easy to recycle now , every local authority will have different criteria , like removing labels and lids etc , in just the same way that they cant mix plastics , cardboard , paper , glass , each local authority has their own way , the local authority that I work for isnt fantastic, but the local authority where I live has it nailed.

 

During the winter , my job shuts down , I do other jobs , delivering new bins or repairing old ones , refuse collection , recycling collection , one of the jobs that I sometimes do is to delliver plastics to the plastic recycling plant , I see with my own eyes how they shred the plastics and re bag the plastic chips and send them on to be used again , this isnt hearsay or second hand or out of date information, ive actually unloaded the vehicle and stood and watched the guys do it.

Like I said at the beggining , I can only speak with real authority about what I know to be true , and I can only offer an educated opinion on the rest.

One thing I will say mick , if your relative is still running a waste tranfer station , he needs to get up to date , his methods ended twenty years ago and hes losing his company a fortune.

 

he is losing them nothing a ship loaded with plastics for recycling heading for china was turned around because china said they no longer wanted it.so that is where the thousands of bales came from.and as you might guess all those bales sitting around for long will be a huge fire risk.the bottle bank thing is still going on as is the wood bins and it is the council that are booking it in to be landfilled.food waste goes into a seperate recycling section but this cannot be used as compost because of the strict rules from europe,they cannot risk putting it as fertiliser so the councils claim credits but the stuff ends up on the tip as they cannot get it through the pas 100.all businesess have to have a recycling policy and all they do is have two skips instead of one and say they are seperating out the rubbish then off it all goes to landfill.this as i said is happenning today.there is nothing stopping the local council sending metal into local scrfapyards they get paid by cheque of bank transfer but half the time the metal has other materials attached to it and the yards dont want it as it is to much trouble to seperate it and the metal is not of great value at the moment and of course they have to pay the higher rate of disposal charge and the full landfill tax.as i said recycling in this country is a farce

[la bala]

Hiya mate,

 

A few years ago , recyclers hadnt got the machinery to sort glass in the way that they do today , it may have been mixed glass , it has a cash value now but it didnt always have , we used to have to put in into separate compartments on the truck , then tip it into separate bays at our yard , it was then loaded onto separate lorries and taken to separate recycling plants. These days it all goes into the same compartment on the truck and goes to the same recycling plant.

It may also have been contaminated , contamination could be anything from getting crud mixed in if its been sitting in something on the ground , or cans have been mixed in with glass at the recycling site , some people are very careful with their stuff but others dont care and just chuck it anywhere, thats when we all get to share the bill to have it tipped into landfill.

I will go no further with this other than good recyling glass went to landfill for 4 days until bays were empty.

[mel b3]

 

he is losing them nothing a ship loaded with plastics for recycling heading for china was turned around because china said they no longer wanted it.so that is where the thousands of bales came from.and as you might guess all those bales sitting around for long will be a huge fire risk.the bottle bank thing is still going on as is the wood bins and it is the council that are booking it in to be landfilled.food waste goes into a seperate recycling section but this cannot be used as compost because of the strict rules from europe,they cannot risk putting it as fertiliser so the councils claim credits but the stuff ends up on the tip as they cannot get it through the pas 100.all businesess have to have a recycling policy and all they do is have two skips instead of one and say they are seperating out the rubbish then off it all goes to landfill.this as i said is happenning today.there is nothing stopping the local council sending metal into local scrfapyards they get paid by cheque of bank transfer but half the time the metal has other materials attached to it and the yards dont want it as it is to much trouble to seperate it and the metal is not of great value at the moment and of course they have to pay the higher rate of disposal charge and the full landfill tax.as i said recycling in this country is a farce

Then the best advice that I can give you mick is to call defra and report this huge fraud , if the local authority is recording the waste as recycled , then putting it into landfill , someone should be going to prison .

Your local authority will be spending many millions of pounds of council tax payers money each year to collect your waste in a way that it can be recycled , local authorities are flat broke right now so do you really think that they would be spending that sort of money when it would be easier and cheaper to do in any other way .

 

Ill state this quite clearly , if anyone at your local authority, and,or, your brother in law , is claiming that they have recycled thousands of tons of waste , then they have landfilled it , they will get caught and they will go to prison , if it isnt recycled , then it isnt recorded as recycled and cannot count towards recycling figures , it really is as simple as that mick , yes some stuff may find its way to landfill or a waste to energy plant , but it will be for a specific reason and will be recorded as such.

 

Is your brother in law really burying all that waste that can easily be turned into cash ? , if he is he must be a laughing stock in the waste industry , nobody buries waste that can be sold these days , they only bury stuff that has no use , in germany , theyre digging waste back out of the ground to burn as they waste so little now , just about everything over there is recycled and they struggle to keep the waste to energy plants running , your bro in law should shred and bale all those tons of wood and ship it out there , wood has a high calorific content and theyd love it in their incinerators.

[mel b3]

I will go no further with this other than good recyling glass went to landfill for 4 days until bays were empty.

And I wont disagree.

 

I really should call it quits with this one now guys , I only got involved in the first place is I hoped to put a few myths to bed and help some of you guys feel a bit better about things , ive now wasted the first two days of my holiday and triggered one of micks episodes lol.

 

No hard feelings to anyone and a special hug for you mick.

 

All the very best,

 

Mel.

[bostonmick]

Then the best advice that I can give you mick is to call defra and report this huge fraud , if the local authority is recording the waste as recycled , then putting it into landfill , someone should be going to prison .

Your local authority will be spending many millions of pounds of council tax payers money each year to collect your waste in a way that it can be recycled , local authorities are flat broke right now so do you really think that they would be spending that sort of money when it would be easier and cheaper to do in any other way .

 

Ill state this quite clearly , if anyone at your local authority, and,or, your brother in law , is claiming that they have recycled thousands of tons of waste , then they have landfilled it , they will get caught and they will go to prison , if it isnt recycled , then it isnt recorded as recycled and cannot count towards recycling figures , it really is as simple as that mick , yes some stuff may find its way to landfill or a waste to energy plant , but it will be for a specific reason and will be recorded as such.

 

Is your brother in law really burying all that waste that can easily be turned into cash ? , if he is he must be a laughing stock in the waste industry , nobody buries waste that can be sold these days , they only bury stuff that has no use , in germany , theyre digging waste back out of the ground to burn as they waste so little now , just about everything over there is recycled and they struggle to keep the waste to energy plants running , your bro in law should shred and bale all those tons of wood and ship it out there , wood has a high calorific content and theyd love it in their incinerators.

1.6 million tons of waste into his landfill last year I doubt anyone is laughing at them.on top of that 300k tons of recycling materials and quite a lot had nowhere to go.it would be pointless to report the food waste compost going on the landfill after processing as it is defra that will not pass it for use on the land as fertiliser. The wood section they closed because there was no market.as the council were incapable of sorting it properly mixing it with mdf and the like.as for putting it through power stations as fuel it cannot be done the boilers in these places need a constant burn and the heat has to be stabilised which has to be done with gas and oil making it very costly.also the wood pellets used in these places has to be processed in a certain manner and mostly comes in from abroad Sweden is very big on this but they only use trees grown for the purpose.i applaud your faith in the system as you know it or have been told but the reality is as with most things a long way off from that.did you not realise that landfill sites do not have transfer licences so what goes in cannot be sent out again.he also realises that there is a vast amount of money being buried but alas the councils and environment agencies will not allow them to go that route.strange really how the local authorities that are responsible for enforcing the regulations are quite often the worst offender's. Now you get on and enjoy your holiday don't waste a single day as there is enough waste in this world without adding to it.;-) Edited August 16, 2016 by bostonmick

[Vince Green]

Then the best advice that I can give you mick is to call defra and report this huge fraud , if the local authority is recording the waste as recycled , then putting it into landfill , someone should be going to prison .

Your local authority will be spending many millions of pounds of council tax payers money each year to collect your waste in a way that it can be recycled , local authorities are flat broke right now so do you really think that they would be spending that sort of money when it would be easier and cheaper to do in any other way .

 

Ill state this quite clearly , if anyone at your local authority, and,or, your brother in law , is claiming that they have recycled thousands of tons of waste , then they have landfilled it , they will get caught and they will go to prison , if it isnt recycled , then it isnt recorded as recycled and cannot count towards recycling figures , it really is as simple as that mick , yes some stuff may find its way to landfill or a waste to energy plant , but it will be for a specific reason and will be recorded as such.

 

Is your brother in law really burying all that waste that can easily be turned into cash ? , if he is he must be a laughing stock in the waste industry , nobody buries waste that can be sold these days , they only bury stuff that has no use , in germany , theyre digging waste back out of the ground to burn as they waste so little now , just about everything over there is recycled and they struggle to keep the waste to energy plants running , your bro in law should shred and bale all those tons of wood and ship it out there , wood has a high calorific content and theyd love it in their incinerators.

As I understand it, as long as waste goes through the recycling centre/ process, irrespective of what direction it goes in when it leaves, it is classed as having been recycled. Its only a European box ticking exercise anyway which the councils have to pay lip service to.

 

You talk about the wood but they are not supposed to incinerate treated wood, painted wood or chipboard/MDF/ply so that doesn't leave much. Much the same with a lot of paper and cardboard because of heavy metals in the ink. That's the trouble, it looks simple when you start but it just gets more and more complicated.

 

Its a lot of flim flam, recycling was imposed upon us as part of one of these (very topical) EU directives that nobody wanted

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