UKPoacher Posted September 25, 2016 Report Share Posted September 25, 2016 Three out of five are great! I'd guess that you are holding the gun a bit too tight with your trigger hand. But that's five dead bunnies (but only three pigeons) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted September 25, 2016 Author Report Share Posted September 25, 2016 Thought i would post these 3 pic's before i started a fight.............. barrel cleaning is generally considered to be a bad idea...as with a new rifle the rifling needs to be "worked" up...........the reason i cleaned this ..is because i believe this rifle had been sitting in the desiel store on the farm for at least 20 years...the gun is 30 years old....and the rubber but plate has sort of semi disolved due to being leant against the wall in the fuel store..........usually a light once pull thro is plenty good enuff to keep the barrel free of rubbish... i first pulled a bronze brush thro it...followed by white spirit and 6 jags/patches which went in really tight...you can still see the muck coming out of the "lands" even on the jag #6...........so the barrell will be shot in over the next couple of weeks........... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted September 25, 2016 Author Report Share Posted September 25, 2016 Three out of five are great! I'd guess that you are holding the gun a bit too tight with your trigger hand. But that's five dead bunnies (but only three pigeons) you are spot on...its excactly the conclusion i have come to....when i get into a rythmn i can do a clover leaf at 25m....then it all goes pearshaped and i have to "settle" again.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UKPoacher Posted September 25, 2016 Report Share Posted September 25, 2016 you are spot on...its excactly the conclusion i have come to....when i get into a rythmn i can do a clover leaf at 25m....then it all goes pearshaped and i have to "settle" again.... Wait until you get a live target and you go all a quiver Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted September 27, 2016 Author Report Share Posted September 27, 2016 (edited) brief update.............. have been trying different holds/positions....as listed.. gun resting on 2 boxes cartridges with bit of sheepskin on top gun resting on small cardboard box with sheepskin ontop gun resting on small wooden box with carpet ontop the hold i have been successful with at tightening up the groups and starting to get consistantsy is ....rest hand on wooden box, fore stock resting on hand or thumb and forefinger....but lightly into shoulder,right thumb away from stock and resting lightly on right side of gun....trigger finger pulling straight back. This allows the recoil of the rifle to continue unempeded straight back.......... Breathing..........couple of steady in and out, breath in....1/3rd out hold....... and steadily very slowly exhale and squeeze trigger back in straight line. as i stick with this i will post some more groupings up......i now do 2 groups at 12 metres.....then the rest of the session is at 25metres... Edited September 27, 2016 by ditchman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iano Posted September 27, 2016 Report Share Posted September 27, 2016 If you aren't going to be rushing shots, then for an air rifle you might want to try a needle trigger? This is an expensive one - http://www.intershoot.co.uk/acatalog/Anschutz-Round-Trigger-Shoe-444.html, I'm sure you could make one out of a nail or something. Needle trigger will ensure that you are putting the same part of your finger on the trigger when firing every time, and an airgun is susceptible to bad trigger technique as that pellet takes a lot longer to leave the barrel. Trigger control and follow through will have as big an impact as hold will, if not greater IMO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted September 27, 2016 Author Report Share Posted September 27, 2016 im slowly finding that out.....about 70% of shots off target are due to (im sure) inconsistant trigger technique ....im toying with the idea to make a better trigger...this one is plastic...and just at the break point im sure i can feel it flex....the lightness of the adjusted trigger is nearly at the lightest setting as well...i will get hold of a bit of brass plate or aluminum....see what i can come up with.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruno22rf Posted September 27, 2016 Report Share Posted September 27, 2016 9 more posts since you "last post" on this thread Sir - are you a member of Status Quo by any chance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted September 27, 2016 Author Report Share Posted September 27, 2016 9 more posts since you "last post" on this thread Sir - are you a member of Status Quo by any chance want me to pack it in then.............am i boring now ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitebridges Posted September 27, 2016 Report Share Posted September 27, 2016 9 more posts since you "last post" on this thread Sir - are you a member of Status Quo by any chance Keep yew orn truckin' Ditchy. Chris, I have a bit of work done on that BESA i bought from you. I'll post a few pics tomorrow with Ditchy's permission. It's come up pretty good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted September 27, 2016 Author Report Share Posted September 27, 2016 go and post em'........this is a airgun thread for a good chinwag... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iano Posted September 27, 2016 Report Share Posted September 27, 2016 im slowly finding that out.....about 70% of shots off target are due to (im sure) inconsistant trigger technique ....im toying with the idea to make a better trigger...this one is plastic...and just at the break point im sure i can feel it flex....the lightness of the adjusted trigger is nearly at the lightest setting as well...i will get hold of a bit of brass plate or aluminum....see what i can come up with.... Trigger issues are mainly where you have: 1) inconsistent finger position 2) snapping it You can't do much about 2 from the trigger but first part is easy enough to fix. Also (instructor cap on here) follow through. Take your shot, count to five. Then release the trigger and only then stopping looking through the scope Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ASunnyD Posted September 27, 2016 Report Share Posted September 27, 2016 Brilliant thread ditchie. Is there nothing you cannot fettle? I bet he could not "fettle" fat sarah Brilliant thread ditchie. Is there nothing you cannot fettle? I bet he could not "fettle" fat sarah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
viking Posted September 27, 2016 Report Share Posted September 27, 2016 bet you wish you'd never mentioned "fat Sarah" does she know she is famous on pigeon watch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted September 27, 2016 Author Report Share Posted September 27, 2016 Trigger issues are mainly where you have: 1) inconsistent finger position 2) snapping it You can't do much about 2 from the trigger but first part is easy enough to fix. Also (instructor cap on here) follow through. Take your shot, count to five. Then release the trigger and only then stopping looking through the scope no problem with the 2nd...its number one...that is causing me grief......what i have done yet again to-night is lighten the trigger to its lightest setting...when i wind the pressure off the spring completely...you cant fire it so wound pressure on bit by bit until it fired...then a bit more for safety.....so i will test tomorrow morning.... you can see why springer air rifles went out of fashion.....i like em tho....no gas bottles to worry about...pull a lever shove in a pellet ....dead magpie at 40 yds ...simples Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted September 27, 2016 Author Report Share Posted September 27, 2016 bet you wish you'd never mentioned "fat Sarah" does she know she is famous on pigeon watch fat sarah "we" think has a boyfriend......stuttery paul......who looks similar to a short version of benny hill with glasses.....he works up at the chicken killing station....and the word is he keeps slipping her a bit of jewerally now and again............mums the word ..shhhhh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UKPoacher Posted September 27, 2016 Report Share Posted September 27, 2016 no problem with the 2nd...its number one...that is causing me grief......what i have done yet again to-night is lighten the trigger to its lightest setting...when i wind the pressure off the spring completely...you cant fire it so wound pressure on bit by bit until it fired...then a bit more for safety.....so i will test tomorrow morning.... you can see why springer air rifles went out of fashion.....i like em tho....no gas bottles to worry about...pull a lever shove in a pellet ....dead magpie at 40 yds ...simples Lightening the second stage trigger pull might cause you problems, I like to have a definite step between stage 1 and stage 2 so I can pick my moment to fire. If it is too light you can end up groping in the dark, is it, isn't it and snatch the shot when you are not ready. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted September 27, 2016 Author Report Share Posted September 27, 2016 Lightening the second stage trigger pull might cause you problems, I like to have a definite step between stage 1 and stage 2 so I can pick my moment to fire. If it is too light you can end up groping in the dark, is it, isn't it and snatch the shot when you are not ready. understand completly what you say.....what i have got it to ...is...pull up 4mm slack...tighten up on trigger...then "think" the shot off....its the last bit i have lightened... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitebridges Posted September 27, 2016 Report Share Posted September 27, 2016 go and post em'........this is a airgun thread for a good chinwag... Alright then will do. I gorta call for pigeon shooting tomorrow but will take the BSA for a pic fest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted September 27, 2016 Author Report Share Posted September 27, 2016 Alright then will do. I gorta call for pigeon shooting tomorrow but will take the BSA for a pic fest. is it one of them nuclear powered gas bottle thingies...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitebridges Posted September 27, 2016 Report Share Posted September 27, 2016 is it one of them nuclear powered gas bottle thingies...... Haha, no yew stoat yew. Made in Brum circa 1980 and its got a bigger spring than yours! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted September 27, 2016 Author Report Share Posted September 27, 2016 Haha, no yew stoat yew. Made in Brum circa 1980 and its got a bigger spring than yours! aahhhh....a proper job then... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iano Posted September 27, 2016 Report Share Posted September 27, 2016 no problem with the 2nd...its number one...that is causing me grief......what i have done yet again to-night is lighten the trigger to its lightest setting...when i wind the pressure off the spring completely...you cant fire it so wound pressure on bit by bit until it fired...then a bit more for safety.....so i will test tomorrow morning.... you can see why springer air rifles went out of fashion.....i like em tho....no gas bottles to worry about...pull a lever shove in a pellet ....dead magpie at 40 yds ...simples Trigger weight is more to do with snapping (or preventing it). If you fancy an experiment - using something temporary and easily removed (like blu-tack), put a thumb-tack on your trigger shoe so you are pressing the sharp end to depress the trigger. With a set up like this, you'll know that you are always pressing with the same part of your finger and as you depress, you won't be touching the edge of the trigger shoe. If it works - do up something more permanent Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted September 27, 2016 Author Report Share Posted September 27, 2016 Trigger weight is more to do with snapping (or preventing it). If you fancy an experiment - using something temporary and easily removed (like blu-tack), put a thumb-tack on your trigger shoe so you are pressing the sharp end to depress the trigger. With a set up like this, you'll know that you are always pressing with the same part of your finger and as you depress, you won't be touching the edge of the trigger shoe. If it works - do up something more permanent cheers....i will try that tomorrow.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iano Posted September 27, 2016 Report Share Posted September 27, 2016 I guess for full disclosure I should probably warn you of this thread - http://forums.pigeonwatch.co.uk/forums/topic/344205-today-i/ Before I start giving advice regarding sharp things and fingers... But seriously, it should help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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