Yilditz wildfowler

[ratty1]

I have one of these in 3 1/2, and I'm a big fan, I'm after some advise, are there any aftermarket type chokes that will fit these,? I can't seem to get any useful info from there site, second question: will two chokes actually sit beside each other when extended from the barrel of a side by side such as this.?

Edited September 8, 2016 by ratty1

[GADWALL41]

I have 2 interchangeability shotgun choke charts . For Yilditz no Known options available .

 

If you were to get chokes to for your thread , yes they would sit s x s , Flush or extended depending on what you bought . With a double gun some guys use just one extended choke with no issues other than smoke and powder on ext choke .

Edited September 8, 2016 by GADWALL41

[GADWALL41]

I am sure you could get a pair of chokes made up to fit your gun . there is a UK company that does this , who's name escapes me just now , but it can be done.

[GADWALL41]

Here you go , Mandel chokes , contact them if you wish

[ratty1]

Thankyou for the reply gadwall, very helpful, it's a shame I can't get kicks for it, as I've been very impressed with there chokes, Ile have a look at these Mandel chokes,

 

On that note has anyone on here have experience with these chokes.

[ratty1]

Just looked on there site, very reasonable prices, looked at the ported chokes in full and 3/4, came to £83., no mention of use of steel shot though.

[Walker570]

Am I a bit slow ?? I have a Yilditz 410 and because I sometimes like to shoot the same choke in both barrels I simply ordered a new spare choke through Solware with Entwistle. I think it was about £15 for the full choke 410. Is there a reason for buying outside the manufacturer ? Mine seem to pattern extremely well. Patterning some #5 Lylevale fibre wad 3 inch today I actually found that cartridge patterned best with the three dot choke, so I will be ordering another of those. It is worth checking the patterns from each of these chokes with various cartridges because the bismuth Eley 3 inch 410s pattern extremely well with the full choke in my gun.

Edited September 8, 2016 by Walker570

[ratty1]

I'm no expert, but the reason for the aftermarket chokes is for use with steel shot at maximum range,to give better patterns without the shot stringing , there are people on here that will give a much better answer than me

Edited September 8, 2016 by ratty1

[GADWALL41]

I just checked a catalogue I have from Gemini Chokes an Italian company . they have a few Yildiz ext chokes also. I e mailed them last year about something and got no reply though .

If you cannot get anything you want in the UK online , try French and German search engines , lots of hunting stores that will be happy to ship stuff to you .

 

Myself I use Mullers H2O Waterfowl chokes , Passing , I find that the UFO is way to tight for me . Windy day , 25 , 30 yard Teal and UFO is not the choke to have in my Semi. Yes it is the operator and not the tool.

I know my limitations , passing will kill out to 55 yds on Duck for me .

 

Teague chokes in the OU , Short type and they are fine for me . 20g Semi I have ext Beretta and Comp n choke and I am very surprised at the range it kills birds .

 

Remember not all ext chokes shorten the shot string , In fact some companies market the fact that there chokes maintain the length of shot string .

 

Just find a combination you are comfortable with , test it and stick with it . Some days it is best to just forget what you have screwed into the barrel , don't think about it , mount , swing and shoot - "

" too many minds" to quote a decent movie will cause you to miss .

Edited September 8, 2016 by GADWALL41

[Walker570]

Hah! apologies, just caught up. You wanted extendeds. Different story. Still worth patterning though. The full choke tube on my 410 splattered the #5s from the fibre wad Lylevales all over and few in the middle. The 1/2 choke was perfect, nice and even and a good spread. I know you can't try before you buy but worth having a selection and getting to know which suits which cartridge.

[ratty1]

Wouldn't it be great to try before you buy, I think Ile give the company a ring tomorrow and have a chat,I might just buy one to trial, it's not a great expense. The chokes I have currently don't pattern great at maximum ranges so I currently don't bother,

[holloway]

I have had chokes from Mandels and they are fine , efficient service as well.

[motty]

I think Yildiz use Mobilchoke.

This would give you many options. You don't have to use chokes that are specially made for wildfowling or steel shot.

[Guest]

Mandel...aka south shields chokes he was going to make mine until I heard they were ****....but I never paid to find out so don't really know!

[SuperGoose75]

I just checked a catalogue I have from Gemini Chokes an Italian company . they have a few Yildiz ext chokes also. I e mailed them last year about something and got no reply though .

If you cannot get anything you want in the UK online , try French and German search engines , lots of hunting stores that will be happy to ship stuff to you .

 

Myself I use Mullers H2O Waterfowl chokes , Passing , I find that the UFO is way to tight for me . Windy day , 25 , 30 yard Teal and UFO is not the choke to have in my Semi. Yes it is the operator and not the tool.

I know my limitations , passing will kill out to 55 yds on Duck for me .

 

Teague chokes in the OU , Short type and they are fine for me . 20g Semi I have ext Beretta and Comp n choke and I am very surprised at the range it kills birds .

 

Remember not all ext chokes shorten the shot string , In fact some companies market the fact that there chokes maintain the length of shot string .

 

Just find a combination you are comfortable with , test it and stick with it . Some days it is best to just forget what you have screwed into the barrel , don't think about it , mount , swing and shoot - "

" too many minds" to quote a decent movie will cause you to miss .

Just Curious Gadwall41...Giving your Location and the fact it is still legal to use the "Toxic stuff" here' and the fact you are usiing After market Chokes in your gun and seem to have Quite a collection of them as I recall a photo of some of your chokes you use that you posted on here. Do they give you any advantage over factory chokes whilst using lead.? As was mentioned i always thought they were designed specifically for non Toxic Shot such as steel. Or Do you choose to shoot Steel whilst out Fowling..? As already mentioned' just curious 'Thats all.

 

SG.

[ratty1]

Thanks for all reply so far,

 

Motty: that's very helpful,Ile look into it, cheers.

[GADWALL41]

Hi SG75 ,

the chokes were no benefit on this mornings tide as I got no shot .

 

That's right I sent in a pic of my chokes previously . So how do I find The toxic stuff works through them ? good question and why do I use them ? very long answer the last question .

 

I have been using ext chokes for over 15 years Id say at that time Manufacturers chokes . In the semis I always used 1/4 choke ext and No 5 lead 36gr load , usually Alphamax , shooting out to about 55yds max.

For me works better than no 4s , I prefer the extra few pellets in my pattern over the greater pellet size .

 

( slightly off topic . Why would I be shooting Duck at those ranges and not decoy them in ?. Well, there are very few good shooting places here , so the good ones can be heavily shot some years and the duck can be shy .

no clubs on the foreshore here as it is all state owned , so everyman for himself so to speak . Many call themselves fowlers in September over here until the weather changes and the Pheasant season opens , the clock goes back and

I shoot most of my duck then as the place frees up , on those wet and windy evenings or morns , it is but my car you will meet parked at the tides edge . Also , just to let you know the Wegion show up here say , mid October the first flocks move in .They get shot at and start to move off . Into November and depending on the winter , for us it has to be not just Cold on mainland Europe where you then get the birds in the UK , the UK must be freezing for the numbers to build and move over here . So anyway , generally there is another movement of birds , Wegion and Teal onto the south coast and you can tell these birds are not as warry , you can approach them closer than the earlier arrivals . Man is new sight for them .

At this stage there are only 2 other guys I know who will be shooting the shore here .)

 

Chokes . Lead in aftermarket chokes .

 

Mullers , and I have emailed them and discussed lead use with them , are designed for all types of shot , there is a chart detailing shot sizes choke type and shot size quarry type for there chokes somewhere on my pc , I will track it down.

I find Mullers are the best for lead , with the Non Ported choke , again with shot size 5 my fav .

 

Patternmaster , I have also used lots of lead through those chokes . I am not a fan of these ported chokes with bigger shot sizes , 4 and 3 giving patchy patterns , slightly better with 5 . I have since sold off my Masters.

 

Steel loads are hard to find in stores here and I have only tried maybe 150 shells , so not an expert there but 4 steel in PMs did not impress me on live quarry , again Mullers were better , but I will hang onto my lead as long as I can .

 

Beretta factory ext chokes , in 12 and 20 gauge Optima HP work well for me in lead always have . Comp n Choke Light Mod and 3/4 in 20g I find pattern very tightly , equivalent to nearly one choke size tighter , so again I find myself

using a Factory ext 1/4 choke with a no 5 shell at ranges under 45yds clean results .

As an aside , the A 400 20 has never ever had a Fail TF or TE , now the 12 g 400 is another story .

 

As for a Ban on toxic ammo in Ireland , I thought it was coming in to effect a few years ago . Talks were held between shooting bodies and Government , but a grassy meadow one day is another mans wetland the next day over here ,

so talks got Bogged down so to speak . I fear the EU will deliver an Apple type hatchet job fine for non compliance of that particular EU directive one of these fine days .

 

MULLER CHART ATT re use of LEAD SHOT -------- Remember shot sizes quoted are US sizes

Edited September 9, 2016 by GADWALL41

[SuperGoose75]

Thanks for the detailed response Gadwall, Very interesting.! I will PM you when I get some free time.

Thanks again and apoligies to the OP for going Off topic.

[GADWALL41]

your welcome .

[TONY R]

Been looking into Choke threads for an Hatsan escort 20 bore im using, they sometimes early ones used mobil threads then the 20s went huglu threads a slightly different thread, ours is a mk 2 20, its huglu thread only carlsens trulock do huglu as i could find, its a bit of a lottery the turkish guns choke threads, latter escorts are on rem chokes.

 

Might be worth looking at huglu threads for the yilditz they look very similar to the mobils but are not,. Just a thought.

Found a thread on here re an escort that had a mobil choke screwed into it and damaged the barrel apparently could have been this Huglu thread putting things out enough to cause problems.

like this....

[figgy]

My Yildiz has Beretta Mobil chokes,easy enough to check with some one local to you or nearest club.

[ratty1]

I just spoke to Entwistle guns( yilditz distributors) and they don't recommend using any other choke in it, the response I got were that they were yilditz chokes and hadn't heard of the berretta mobile chokes in yilditz guns, not as helpful as I was expecting

[TONY R]

Ratty there are two ways of looking at this, entwistles could just be playing the PC safe bat routene, and just not caring one way or the other because there is no brass in it for them, OR they could have a real valid reason to be advising this .

As i explained above Huglu look very much like mobils even when side by side, but the fact mobils will screw in is all well and good but if the choke is slightly off in size results like the one in the picture can occur.

Im in just your predicament with this 20bore Hatsan, and im playing it safe you need to get the right choke, and im suspecting the huglu hugsan chokes could possibly be in use by yilditz hence the advice from entwistles. Watch what your doing.

[ratty1]

He was playing it safe which I can't blame him for, he said very much the same as what you just said Tony. To be honest I might just go back to the dark side and get an sx3 and stick a kicks in it.

[TONY R]

He was playing it safe which I can't blame him for, he said very much the same as what you just said Tony. To be honest I might just go back to the dark side and get an sx3 and stick a kicks in it.

Nawt dark about that side man, Its a sure bet IMHO>

SX2s SX3s all INV plus like them kicks high flyers. And at 60 quid they dont break the bank.