pestcontrol1 Posted October 11, 2016 Report Share Posted October 11, 2016 Evening chaps right i am hoping to pick a ten sbs up tomorrow there is two to pick from both the same make and choked at 3/4 and full and full & full so not wanting to put steel throw it with the chokes it has for this season ( may get it milti choked next year ). So apart from steel what would/do people use Cheers PC1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AberFowl Posted October 11, 2016 Report Share Posted October 11, 2016 (edited) I have a shed load of bismuth (350+) and tungsten (50ish) I use. Picked up odd shells and boxes here and there, ask in every gunshop I go to on the off chance they may have some collecting dust in a cupboard somewhere. use them in the tight choked older guns but generally use steel now I have fallen in love with my new BPS10 the old guns only come out on special occasions Edited October 11, 2016 by AberFowl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pestcontrol1 Posted October 11, 2016 Author Report Share Posted October 11, 2016 I have a shed load of bismuth (350+) and tungsten (50ish) I use. Picked up odd shells and boxes here and there, ask in every gunshop I go to on the off chance they may have some collecting dust in a cupboard somewhere. use them in the tight choked older guns but generally use steel now I have fallen in love with my new BPS10 the old guns only come out on special occasions Am not a fan of pumps for some reason i use to have a 410 pump and shot well with it but the 12 pump i had sort of put me off them. I will see what they have in when i go and do the deal tomorrow but i would say they will only have lead. Is tungsten ok throw tight chokes i can get some shipped over from china at $54 a kg plus shipping thats for 3.8mm & 4mm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AberFowl Posted October 11, 2016 Report Share Posted October 11, 2016 I put tungsten through full chokes un my Lincoln and Basque, kills geese no problems Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pestcontrol1 Posted October 11, 2016 Author Report Share Posted October 11, 2016 I put tungsten through full chokes un my Lincoln and Basque, kills geese no problems Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Mat Posted October 11, 2016 Report Share Posted October 11, 2016 I picked up some gamebore itm loads for the 10 the other years, they've killed a few geese for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TONY R Posted October 11, 2016 Report Share Posted October 11, 2016 Historicaly i have always taken out the full chokes in the old spanish tens since steel came out, But hated doing it on every one of them i have done it too. Last two doubles i have had have both been Kestrels and both i used with steel and the full chokes, i sold one four years ago, guy is still using it with the full chokes in alltered no signs of any problems, I have been running this one with steel loads up to BBB shot again no signs of any problems, they are a big strong old gun and i cant see any issues with ribs bullging etc developing. Im leaving our curent kestrel alone on the chokes and ill continue to shoot steel through it, The guidance on chokes is there as a guidance, this does not prevent either issues with steel ocuring with half choke or less any more than using a full or extra full in a big thick walled choke gun like the kestrel will guarantee issues. I consider i have read and understood the reasons the guidance is there, and i have also seen where its adoption is not in my opinion nessaary in the gun i am using , so im carying on using steel in this ten bore. Im not saying you should do what i have chosen to do, just saying what i do and why i feel what i am doing is fine dispite the official guidance, which is drawn up to cater for all guns not taking into account guns which are perhaps more substantialy constructed than some others. Ive made my dessisions its up to everyone else to do the same re the guidance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donkey Posted October 11, 2016 Report Share Posted October 11, 2016 Hevi shot no 2s been put through zabalas kestrels and grey lag 10s either I or family members have owned and now sp10s Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pestcontrol1 Posted October 11, 2016 Author Report Share Posted October 11, 2016 Heyup Tony the two i am looking at in the morning are Kestrel"s do you have any problems with pattern using steel throw the full chokes in it or is it a nice even tight pattern Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TONY R Posted October 11, 2016 Report Share Posted October 11, 2016 (edited) No nothing patterns are tight even and acceptable, a lot of talk about unusable way too tight patterns not so much on the net as various people saying this is what they found, but i have not found this, and i have not seen any issues with the guns either. Once the chokes out the chokes out i would leave well alone and run it like it is but thats me. One thing i will say they dont like is wads slit in three slits or not slit to the base wad, patterns get wild then, can vary and be dence and uneven, but properly slit wads four slits to the base, no issues, and i like RSI sam 1s best, these with those ribs seem to handle the biggere shot like BBBs which is the bigest i would use anyway, better than MMs TPS etc. The RSIs always look bad when you find them, but i like them on the pattern plate myself. I use RSIs in the Browning and SP10 too through the terror chokes too, but if im using Briley .745 tube i use TPS wads mostly, basicaly tight chokes i use RSI sam 1s more open chokes i like the TPS in ten, but again thats my findings opinion may vary i supose. One thing i feel might be relivant here is i used a marlin supergoose with full choke and steel for years with no issues whatsoever. Still have it to this day the supergoose. Edited October 11, 2016 by TONY R Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pestcontrol1 Posted October 12, 2016 Author Report Share Posted October 12, 2016 No nothing patterns are tight even and acceptable, a lot of talk about unusable way too tight patterns not so much on the net as various people saying this is what they found, but i have not found this, and i have not seen any issues with the guns either. Once the chokes out the chokes out i would leave well alone and run it like it is but thats me. One thing i will say they dont like is wads slit in three slits or not slit to the base wad, patterns get wild then, can vary and be dence and uneven, but properly slit wads four slits to the base, no issues, and i like RSI sam 1s best, these with those ribs seem to handle the biggere shot like BBBs which is the bigest i would use anyway, better than MMs TPS etc. The RSIs always look bad when you find them, but i like them on the pattern plate myself. I use RSIs in the Browning and SP10 too through the terror chokes too, but if im using Briley .745 tube i use TPS wads mostly, basicaly tight chokes i use RSI sam 1s more open chokes i like the TPS in ten, but again thats my findings opinion may vary i supose. One thing i feel might be relivant here is i used a marlin supergoose with full choke and steel for years with no issues whatsoever. Still have it to this day the supergoose. I may have just dropped one then with the wads lol never mind i have just got the TUPRW 105 Wads for some reason. I picked the ten up today needs a little work doing to it but at the end of the day it is what it is i picked the one with 3/4 an full choke as it was a better gun cosmetically and in fit. So i went to c&g and got some hulls wads and a gaep spinner so at least i can rto some cartridges to get me going. was looking at 44gn A steel 42 gram copper plated B shot with a rto in 3-1/2". But would"t mind a smaller load to bash some ducks with to get use to the gun and how it shoots ( only shot one once ) but all i can find it 3.5" loads i did think about trimming a dozen cases down to 70mm and loading my normal 12g load with a little extra powder in but not got that far yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motty Posted October 12, 2016 Report Share Posted October 12, 2016 For the duck load, I would just swap the B shot for 2s or 3s. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TONY R Posted October 12, 2016 Report Share Posted October 12, 2016 I may have just dropped one then with the wads lol never mind i have just got the TUPRW 105 Wads for some reason. I picked the ten up today needs a little work doing to it but at the end of the day it is what it is i picked the one with 3/4 an full choke as it was a better gun cosmetically and in fit. So i went to c&g and got some hulls wads and a gaep spinner so at least i can rto some cartridges to get me going. was looking at 44gn A steel 42 gram copper plated B shot with a rto in 3-1/2". But would"t mind a smaller load to bash some ducks with to get use to the gun and how it shoots ( only shot one once ) but all i can find it 3.5" loads i did think about trimming a dozen cases down to 70mm and loading my normal 12g load with a little extra powder in but not got that far yet. Sorry to tell you this but i dont like those brown things, they look real neat with those but lapped slits and all that but may be its just me but i never got anything like a good pattern out of them with anything that had a choke in it, i had a chopped greylag was down to 28 inch zero choke in it, that shot them in the late 60s % at 40 yards it was best i ever saw from the PR browns. God luck might be ok with smaller shot, i think i would try that but get some RSIs or TPS wads for BBB goose loads is my advice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walker570 Posted October 12, 2016 Report Share Posted October 12, 2016 I've recently been using ITX from Clay& Game for my non tox 410s and they kill ducks no problem. Don't know what sizes they go up to . I use their 6s which look more like 5s or about 4 1/2 to me. Don't know what ITX is made from but as I said it kills no problem. As non toxic stuff goes not overly expensive either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pestcontrol1 Posted October 12, 2016 Author Report Share Posted October 12, 2016 I asked today when i was in they only have Bismuth an ITX that they say you can shoot throw tight choke. You are getting on ok with the 410 non tox load then Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pestcontrol1 Posted October 13, 2016 Author Report Share Posted October 13, 2016 Sorry to tell you this but i dont like those brown things, they look real neat with those but lapped slits and all that but may be its just me but i never got anything like a good pattern out of them with anything that had a choke in it, i had a chopped greylag was down to 28 inch zero choke in it, that shot them in the late 60s % at 40 yards it was best i ever saw from the PR browns. God luck might be ok with smaller shot, i think i would try that but get some RSIs or TPS wads for BBB goose loads is my advice. I will go tomorrow and get something different i thin c&g have some TPS in stock think thats all they have thou Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Mat Posted October 13, 2016 Report Share Posted October 13, 2016 For the duck load, I would just swap the B shot for 2s or 3s. Thats what i've been doing. 1 1/2 3s is a little overkill on teal though! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TONY R Posted October 14, 2016 Report Share Posted October 14, 2016 Thats what i've been doing. 1 1/2 3s is a little overkill on teal though! I load 36 gram of 3.5mm 3s in a cut down Remington Hull and RTO for ducks, Patterns are great out the ten for those passing mallard yet not too silly for decoying. Its a compromise but i like these more than 1.5 oz loads in the ten on ducks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pestcontrol1 Posted October 14, 2016 Author Report Share Posted October 14, 2016 36 gram sounds better than what i was throwing at the ducks this morning Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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