B25Modelman Posted November 18, 2016 Report Share Posted November 18, 2016 (edited) There you go it's the workers that are paying for the Directors errors. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-38023933 I own one of the cheat Passats but will not be having the software patch installed because it's causing all sorts of problems with cars that have had it done. Edited November 18, 2016 by B25Modelman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyska Posted November 18, 2016 Report Share Posted November 18, 2016 We had our Audi patched, not noticed a thing, fuel consumption is still ridiculous, tax is ridiculously low. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted November 18, 2016 Report Share Posted November 18, 2016 We had our Audi patched, not noticed a thing, fuel consumption is still ridiculous, tax is ridiculously low. What model do you have? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dead-Eyed Duck Posted November 18, 2016 Report Share Posted November 18, 2016 I know that in the USA there have been serious amounts of 'compensation' paid to VW owners. Is anyone aware of any such progress here? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
das Posted November 18, 2016 Report Share Posted November 18, 2016 Took my 10 plate Yeti for the brainwash today, seems to run better than before and still gives me the great fuel economy it had before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyska Posted November 18, 2016 Report Share Posted November 18, 2016 What model do you have? A3 sportback, 2.0 sline Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norfolk dumpling Posted November 27, 2016 Report Share Posted November 27, 2016 Any talk of compensation here yet? A couple of mates are expecting 'thousands' - no chance I suspect as there has been no loss as such. It's just in the USA where they have more lawyers than doctors that VW are having to cough up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dead-Eyed Duck Posted November 27, 2016 Report Share Posted November 27, 2016 Any talk of compensation here yet? A couple of mates are expecting 'thousands' - no chance I suspect as there has been no loss as such. It's just in the USA where they have more lawyers than doctors that VW are having to cough up. 'Loss' has nothing to do with it. The VW Group committed fraud - they sold vehicles in the full knowledge that they contravened the emission standards, and the buyers were duped as such. One would have thought that once this became known, then they would have offered some form of compensation as has happened in the USA. Obviously the VW Group consider that customers in the UK are not valued as much as those there, and they have no moral obligation to compensate those in the UK... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
armsid Posted November 27, 2016 Report Share Posted November 27, 2016 just think if land rover had done the same as vw what would the outcome be Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dead-Eyed Duck Posted November 27, 2016 Report Share Posted November 27, 2016 just think if land rover had done the same as vw what would the outcome be I have no idea - if only Land Rovers were as reliable as VW then I would have bought one........ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norfolk dumpling Posted November 28, 2016 Report Share Posted November 28, 2016 D-E Duck you are right about LR - I would not buy a modern one under any circumstances. I do some work for the JLR group and its nothing but complaints and some scary faults ie vehicles just coming to a halt on their own, braking and shutting down for no good reason. Happened to me with a new (167 miles on clock) Disco sport. I'm left sitting in the middle of the road wondering what the hell happened. Another lady customer with the same model had this happen on a big, fast roundabout. She doesn't want another LR as long as she lives. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B25Modelman Posted November 28, 2016 Author Report Share Posted November 28, 2016 http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/industry/volkswagen-holds-stance-no-dieselgate-compensation-europe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dead-Eyed Duck Posted November 28, 2016 Report Share Posted November 28, 2016 http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/industry/volkswagen-holds-stance-no-dieselgate-compensation-europe The weasily worded response is exactly as one would expect - VW have paid out a small fortune in the USA (where standards and legal repercussions are stricter), but as far as I am concerned (and no doubt many others who have shelled out their hard-earned cash), this does not let them off the hook. They deliberately sold a product that was not to specification, and hoped that they would get away with it, and I am amazed that so far in the UK this has not been taken up by legal experts. In Germany, where VW have a huge amount of clout with politicians, nothing has been done so far because of the possible results on employment levels within VW, but why should this policy apply to the UK? They have a loyal customer base here, and offering nothing is a smack in the face to this loyalty. There are plenty of reliable alternatives to the VW brand, and I for one will never again buy a VW is nothing is offered. So far I have had two letters from Skoda outlining the technical work that needs to be done, and not a hint of apology. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bostonmick Posted November 28, 2016 Report Share Posted November 28, 2016 If your happy with your cars why worry.before this came to light no doubt vw owners thought their cars were the greatest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norfolk dumpling Posted November 28, 2016 Report Share Posted November 28, 2016 My mates have a Seat and a VW and thought compensation would reflect reduction in residuals and any uplift in VED but talking to a senior VW salesman he said the motor trade were ignoring this for trade-in purposes and even more if there was a hint of a problem VW would buy the car at a price to mitigate any issues. I suspect they are also hoping time will heal! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
digger Posted November 28, 2016 Report Share Posted November 28, 2016 how many people genuinely purchased a car based on manufacturers emission figures ? probably 3%. Yet 99% want compensation. For what ? polluting the planet ? post a pic of the receipt from Greenpeace. Sorry, if you feel hard done by but on what basis is the compensation based ? miles, C02 ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norfolk dumpling Posted November 29, 2016 Report Share Posted November 29, 2016 Digger, from teatime chats they think VED was going to rise and they would get contribution to that plus residuals - they thought vehicles would lose value if affected but of course this is very very subjective and VW said it would not affect trade-in (if you bought another VW!!). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IEH Posted November 29, 2016 Report Share Posted November 29, 2016 Why do people think that compensation means they should be making a quick buck? Surely, it's all about putting you in the same position as you would have been had the 'mishap' (or whatever) not occurred. If there's been financial loss, additional travelling costs, medical costs or time off work etc. then certainly that should be compensated, but if not then there should be no payment. This culture just adds to the costs that we all pay out by way of purchase prices/insurance costs etc. as the companies involved aren't in it to make a loss, so ultimately we're all losing for the few that seek to gain! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrowningB525 Posted November 29, 2016 Report Share Posted November 29, 2016 Why do people think that compensation means they should be making a quick buck? Surely, it's all about putting you in the same position as you would have been had the 'mishap' (or whatever) not occurred. If there's been financial loss, additional travelling costs, medical costs or time off work etc. then certainly that should be compensated, but if not then there should be no payment. This culture just adds to the costs that we all pay out by way of purchase prices/insurance costs etc. as the companies involved aren't in it to make a loss, so ultimately we're all losing for the few that seek to gain! Hear hear. Also, it is unlikely to impact on VED. VED is based on CO2 emissions. The cheat was to ebat NOX emissions tests. My worry about a "fix" would be that it will impact on economy. If they could meet NOX regulations and give the same economy, VW would. As VW are a reasonably sought after make, residuals probably won't be affected much either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norfolk dumpling Posted November 29, 2016 Report Share Posted November 29, 2016 Yep but there is always someone on the make and with VW paying out huge sums in USA there is a feeling UK buyers should be treated likewise. Something for nothing is almost part of our culture these days. I live near a guy who has defrauded insurers, has a reputation at our local GP of trying it on with DWP (GP receptionists have loose lips!) and even got my disabled son to buy 6 members of his family ice creams and cans of drinks - when I asked him what on earth he was playing at his response was the £15 was out of our sons benefits and thus it was getting his taxes back............. How do some people sleep at night? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dead-Eyed Duck Posted November 29, 2016 Report Share Posted November 29, 2016 Why do people think that compensation means they should be making a quick buck? Surely, it's all about putting you in the same position as you would have been had the 'mishap' (or whatever) not occurred. If there's been financial loss, additional travelling costs, medical costs or time off work etc. then certainly that should be compensated, but if not then there should be no payment. This culture just adds to the costs that we all pay out by way of purchase prices/insurance costs etc. as the companies involved aren't in it to make a loss, so ultimately we're all losing for the few that seek to gain! Sorry, but I strongly disagree. The VW Group advertised a product that conformed to emission standards, and it did not. I am pretty certain that the 'fix' that they are proposing will affect performance/economy in some way otherwise why did they not do the 'fix' in the first place. If you buy a product that is defective then there should be a remedy to prevent this, otherwise the scams will get larger and larger until the product is nothing at all like you expected. If you want to willingly spend your hard earned cash on a defective product that you are not aware of then you are perfectly entitled to - and I would say more fool you. You obviously have a much larger bank account than I do, and are quite happy to waste it buying defective merchandise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B25Modelman Posted November 29, 2016 Author Report Share Posted November 29, 2016 Honest John is reporting that most if not all the problems are with post 2010 vehicles. http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/news/volkswagen-emissions-scandal/8-reports-of-volkswagen-tiguans-losing-power-after-ea189-emissions-fix/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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