markbivvy Posted May 26, 2007 Report Share Posted May 26, 2007 just found this on another forum, can anyone shed any light on it please. "I have been told that they are proposing and have already started not granting open licences for the whole of the UK. All existing ones will not be renewed. The open licence is at the discrection of the Chief Constable, and this is being withdrawn to all licence holders. ALL land must be approved and you must have written permission, for you to shoot on it, irrespective of how long or what experiance you have. Thats according to South Yorks Firearms Department." I quote above your post from another thread. After this particular statement of yours is there any point in asking for something that no longer exists ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mry716 Posted May 26, 2007 Report Share Posted May 26, 2007 Have you seen the advert yet for 6500 new posts in Yorks Constabulary? Until they are appointed and trained I don't think we need worry but I do feel sorry for the locals if their Council tax is going to quadruple. :( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazooka Joe Posted May 27, 2007 Report Share Posted May 27, 2007 just found this on another forum, can anyone shed any light on it please. "I have been told that they are proposing and have already started not granting open licences for the whole of the UK. All existing ones will not be renewed. The open licence is at the discrection of the Chief Constable, and this is being withdrawn to all licence holders. ALL land must be approved and you must have written permission, for you to shoot on it, irrespective of how long or what experiance you have. Thats according to South Yorks Firearms Department." I quote above your post from another thread. After this particular statement of yours is there any point in asking for something that no longer exists ? Which forum was that MB, PM me instead of posting it on here, BJ. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mossy835 Posted May 27, 2007 Report Share Posted May 27, 2007 i have a open ticket, i have just sent both off for renewal,i will phone my flo up and ask him, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
codling99 Posted May 27, 2007 Report Share Posted May 27, 2007 sounds like a load of bull to me,my mate had his centre fire 3 months ago ,only had a rimfire for a year,when he sent in for variation for the cf ,it came back as an open ticket and he never even asked . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdubya Posted May 27, 2007 Report Share Posted May 27, 2007 Got to be bull? what do they do pick a date to start it without consultation of the shooting organisations, renew for five years up and including the day before then say no?so one has license "closed" the other has five more years open? I shoot over farms ranging from northumberland to west yorks, I would never get all my land passed in a year never mind all other license holder applications, mind you if it is true I will walk away from the sport, so thats means the LOT including clays, oh and of course I wont need basc insurance then will I? cheers KW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kip270 Posted May 27, 2007 Report Share Posted May 27, 2007 mmmm sounds very doubtfull to me. Imagine all the paperwork that would be involved for them to check that the land is approved, for you to use the calibre of rifle you have. There are some Chief Constables that are very anti gun and will go out of their way to makes things difficult. When i sent of my ticket for renewal and i asked for a .17hmr, my local RFD told me that if i hadn't made a purchase within 3 months i would of received a letter and would of lost the slot for it. This comes across as a bit extreme, and i would of fought it, but i have my .17hmr so no probs. The logistics of this don't add up, it's bad enough waiting for a FAC renewal, let alone a first time application, and to send all your permission slips with this as well, and then for them to decide which land you can shoot on and which one you can't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mossy835 Posted May 27, 2007 Report Share Posted May 27, 2007 Got to be bull? what do they do pick a date to start it without consultation of the shooting organisations,renew for five years up and including the day before then say no?so one has license "closed" the other has five more years open? I shoot over farms ranging from northumberland to west yorks, I would never get all my land passed in a year never mind all other license holder applications, mind you if it is true I will walk away from the sport, so thats means the LOT including clays, oh and of course I wont need basc insurance then will I? cheers KW if it were true i would give up my fac, and keep my shotgun licence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davo Posted May 27, 2007 Report Share Posted May 27, 2007 I read the same post!! I've just applied for my FAC (first time application) and had my home visit last week, I asked the question "would I be restricted to my written permission or will the ticket be open?" the reply was that it is now far to complicated and time consuming to visit and verify all permissions mentioned on applications so the ticket would be 'open'. Might be different in other regions, but that came from my FEO. Might also be that because he has a good knowledge of the ground on my permission but it sounded like a general statement to me... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fieldwanderer Posted May 27, 2007 Report Share Posted May 27, 2007 I read the same post!! I've just applied for my FAC (first time application) and had my home visit last week, I asked the question "would I be restricted to my written permission or will the ticket be open?" the reply was that it is now far to complicated and time consuming to visit and verify all permissions mentioned on applications so the ticket would be 'open'. Might be different in other regions, but that came from my FEO. Might also be that because he has a good knowledge of the ground on my permission but it sounded like a general statement to me... God I hope that's the same across the country, the poor old rough shooter could do with some good news for a change Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveK Posted May 27, 2007 Report Share Posted May 27, 2007 Mrs Dave just had her renewal no problem. Sounds utter tosh to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve b Posted May 27, 2007 Report Share Posted May 27, 2007 I have just got my FAC variation adding .17HMR to my existing two slots for .22 rimmy, held FAC for one year and opened up both .22 and .17 no probs. (not sure if being an authorised firearms officer helped due to previous experience etc) steve b Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the pelt man Posted May 30, 2007 Report Share Posted May 30, 2007 just found this on another forum, can anyone shed any light on it please. "I have been told that they are proposing and have already started not granting open licences for the whole of the UK. All existing ones will not be renewed. The open licence is at the discrection of the Chief Constable, and this is being withdrawn to all licence holders. ALL land must be approved and you must have written permission, for you to shoot on it, irrespective of how long or what experiance you have. Thats according to South Yorks Firearms Department." I quote above your post from another thread. After this particular statement of yours is there any point in asking for something that no longer exists ? I have been told the very same thing by my FLO (met police) three weeks ago. And it will be phased in with the new central data base. All land now has to be passed by the Police, open tickets WILL BE STOPPED. If your ticket is open this no longer gives you the right to go on any land you deem OK to shoot on IT HAS TO BE PASSED. My FLO told me that this is because if there are any shooting accidents on land passed by them they will be taking some of the blame for passing it (i think not). But as you say this is true, WATCH THIS SPACE PELTMAN Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunkield Posted May 30, 2007 Report Share Posted May 30, 2007 Fantastic, I am <almost> at the stage in life where I can get by on 20k a year, I will be applying for a post as soon as they come up My FEO does extra house calls and works a 4 day week so he do more shooting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goldfish Posted May 30, 2007 Report Share Posted May 30, 2007 New Northants policy - visits to new land by the shooter and FlO together. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markbivvy Posted May 30, 2007 Author Report Share Posted May 30, 2007 My FLO told me that this is because if there are any shooting accidents on land passed by them they will be taking some of the blame for passing it but thats how it works now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveK Posted May 31, 2007 Report Share Posted May 31, 2007 Checked with West Yorks FLO and got a definitive answer. Load of ****. There's no plans in the pipeline and it would be a logistical and administrative nightmare (my interpretation of the conversation). Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunkield Posted May 31, 2007 Report Share Posted May 31, 2007 bang goes my semi retirement plan then . . . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alycidon Posted May 31, 2007 Report Share Posted May 31, 2007 Beds as far as I am aware are operating a closed licence policy for new holders for the first 5 years with all land inspected then opening it up on request at first renewal. I have recently done a renewal in Northants, my first in that county and needed landowner authorisation which was confirmed by the FEO by phone. There was a time when some forces would renew withour rechecking permissions. BASC recommend that you DO NOT put a written authorisation in with your renewal but give the details verbally when asked by the FEO. It is not a legal requirement to do so but might become one if everybody did it thereby quietly increasing the regulations placed upon us. Sounds like this is something cooked up by a local force, A Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveK Posted May 31, 2007 Report Share Posted May 31, 2007 Checked with West Yorks FLO and got a definitive answer. Load of ****. There's no plans in the pipeline and it would be a logistical and administrative nightmare (my interpretation of the conversation). Dave Latest news Checked with BASC a while ago as well. They've heard nothing and don't expect to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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