Smoke Free July 1st

[Axe]

I spent the last two years trying to quit and failing. The final straw came when they mentioned the smoking ban. I have now been a non-smoker for just over three months and proud of it. I know its cliche and that ex-smokers are the worse, but I really do see it for what it is now. A filthy, smelly habbit that eats your money and your health.

 

I know it will upset a small majority of smokers and i'll bet that alot of them are in the 'lets protest for the sake of it' brigade. But for the remainder, i'll also bet they are secretly yearning for it. I've yet to meet a smoker that doesnt wish they had never started in the first place. The ban will give millions of people the incentive to stop smoking and that has to be good.

 

If anything, Blair gets a pat on the back for this one at least.

[MC]

i should be yp to the comapany or pub

for example in pubs it should be up to the land lord and if ppl dont like smoke they should not go in that pub it is selfish all these non smokers have probs well the answer is dont do in building that have smoking allowed

 

Yes thats right, real selfish that non smokers do not want to have to breathe in someone elses pollution. It won't be an issue after 1st july the boot will be on the other foot.

 

I drink when I go out so how about I stand on a table a **** all over you? That way you go home smelling of the waste product of my habit.

 

After all me ******* on you won't give you lung cancer, your smoke can give me it. Passive smoking exists, but I have never heard of someone getting sclerosis of the liver by passive drinking.

[Axe]

Passive drinking, now that would be a cheap night out!

[Dunkield]

I think it is a good move, it's worked in Scotland and Ireland, both places I have been to this year and ended up hammered in both

Neither time did I go home stinking and with that sickly feeling you get when you are dragging in smoke as well as a few too many beers.

 

I find it hard enough dragging my carcase up big hills, without half of my lungs not functioning

 

I have never smoked and I never will, but I take my hat of to all of you who have, and have now quit

[SNAKEBITE]

Yes thats right, real selfish that non smokers do not want to have to breathe in someone elses pollution. It won't be an issue after 1st july the boot will be on the other foot.

 

I drink when I go out so how about I stand on a table a **** all over you? That way you go home smelling of the waste product of my habit.

 

After all me ******* on you won't give you lung cancer, your smoke can give me it. Passive smoking exists, but I have never heard of someone getting sclerosis of the liver by passive drinking.

 

I'm not too sure that's a fair analogy to be honest, and can I say at this point that I'm not against the ban, I just think it should be a little more flexible.

 

If you go to a pub that has loud music or bands playing do you go "Please turn that down or off I can't have a conversation"? No you either put up with it or find another pub. Same should go with a smoking pub. Don't like it? Go to a non smoking pub.

 

I'm sorry, I don't like smoking, it does make everything smell but if people want to do it then in a country such as ours they should be able to do it, albeit in a controlled enviroment.

 

After all how many of you were bitching about wanting to drive what you wanted and stuff what everyone else thought?

[Axe]

I dont see what the problem is here. Pubs, restaurants, clubs, etc are making allowances for the ban, creating purpose built areas for smokers. The anaolgy may be harsh but it is right. People are not being told they can not smoke, simply that smoking is not permitted in enclosed public areas.

 

Smokers have a choice but non-smokers do not. Its not just the punters think of the staff. They don't get a choice at all. Its certainly not fair to ask someone to leave their job, just so Mr Smith can spark up a fag.

[jonno 357]

If a smoker at work has 3 x 10min smoke breaks extra at work per day he only works 11 months of the year.

 

If I ask my boss if I can finish for xmas at the end of November what do you think he will say ?

 

Can't wait for the 1st July. I work on a Chemical plant. Once the smoke rooms are closed thats it. No carpark smoking- No leaving site- NO SMOKING for shift workers 6am until 6pm . Anyone caught smoking on site instant sacked and possible prosecution if deemed putting the other work force at risk with there negligent behaviour becuase of all the tanks of thousands of tons of Highly Flammables on site

 

Oh its gunna kick off big style. The overtime is gunna be sky high this year

 

Jonno

[Alycidon]

Our insurers refused us cover unless we stopped all smoking on company property including delivery vans over 2 years ago. To allow smoking was considered to be assisting the smoker to kill himself and teh employer could be held liable legally under duty of care regs. My two or three smokers have to go outside to indulge.

 

As a non smoker I welcome it but am just so glad I never started as it must be very hard for people to give up. Someone lighting up in a resteraunt at present is bad and worse if it is a cigar the fumes of which are oen of the few things that give me a migraine.

 

I now get no problems with either staff or customers, it is just accepted.

 

A

[Dunkield]

I drink when I go out so how about I stand on a table a **** all over you?

Hang on minute, since when has that been considered bad manners??

News to me

[Tony9r]

I understand that there will be no smoking in the workplace which means I will have to sack myself 3 or 4 times a day

 

 

 

 

 

LB

 

Ditto

 

I have a small factory unit and am on my own, and the ban also affects me... thing is I weld all day with MIG, TIG & stick, so the place is constantly filled with fumes - what's the logic in that?!?!?!?

[SNAKEBITE]

If a smoker at work has 3 x 10min smoke breaks extra at work per day he only works 11 months of the year.

 

If I ask my boss if I can finish for xmas at the end of November what do you think he will say ?

 

That doesn't work out either, just take a look round. In our place the non smokers gather round the coffee machine and have a quick chat. The smokers nip out onto the loading bay, smoke a fag and drink their coffee whilst chatting. Both take about 10 minutes to do their thing.

Everybody gets away with a little something, as long as you don't take the micky then good luck to 'em.

[pin]

Glad I gave up 3 weeks ago

 

To non-smokers who moan about smoking breaks, just being at your desk doesn't mean you are working

[MC]

No you are probably posting on Pigeon Watch

[NorfolkBoy]

No you are probably posting on Pigeon Watch

 

FACT. PW makes you fat....

 

Since quitting smoking (6 weeks) my PW consumption has certainly increased - as has my waistline - I'm no longer running up and down the office stairs for a smoke every hour....

[dusk2dawn]

Thanks for your words D2D, it's amazing that we can be told this time after time and we all ignore it until something comes a long and proves it to you. All that stats in the world won't make people stop unless they're shown on a personal level that it kills. By the way how long were you smoking for?

 

I've smoked for about 12 years and tried to quit several times per year for last 5 years, got it down to 5 per day and going to stop permanently in July, also I get hitched in July and have promised the long suffering girlfriend that I'll stop then.

 

My downfall has always been the pub, I can stop for ages but then go into a pub and i think I'd just like one and then several weeks later I'm back to 5 per day.

 

I can't wait for this July ban as hopefully I'll stop permanently.

 

 

A visit for an hour or so to any oncology dept would be enough to encourage most people to stick at trying to give up.....

I started with a pipe when I was 23 mainly as a "recreational" smoker always trying out different flavours, never indoors and mostly in the company of country people some of whom were shooting/fishing oldtimers several of them enjoyed their pipes so I must have been influenced by them.

I used a pipe almost every day without so much as a cough, always thinking I would be okay as I didnt take it down.... wrong!!

 

 

D2D

[Bazooka Joe]

Surprised in your response Bazooka Joe - given your signature about censorship!

 

Don't know which school you went to Oly, but I think you have crossed lines, are you not thinking of your Civil Liberties...........?

 

 

Censorship

 

Censorship is defined as the removal and withholding of information from the public by a controlling group or body.

 

 

Civil Liberty

 

Civil liberties is the name given to freedoms that completely protect the individual from government. Civil liberties set limits for government so that it can not abuse its power and interfere with the lives of its citizens.

 

 

BJ.

[DaveK]

I notice a fair amount of reference to smoking being a HABIT. Please call it what it is, an ADDICTION.

 

What's more its an addiction that was endorsed and is still heavily taxed by the state for several decades until it became socially unacceptable.

 

Now Heroin/coke addicts etc can get free support from the state and free methodone (still a drug) to help kick their habit but those sort of addictions have never been state approved or heavily taxed.

 

Wheres the payback to people who want to give up an addiction that they have paid extortionate taxes on for most of their lives? Where's the support and free treatment and medication to help give it up.

 

Yet again the law breakers are being supported and the law abiding are getting the **** t y end of the stick with what is arguably a more addictive drug.

 

I'll get back in me bike shed for a craft drag now

Dave

[naddan28]

Smokers are a minority, why should they be allowed to make the rest of us stink & passive smoke. We went smoke free at uni last year (except the nightclub) and its brilliant, you do see the few (mainly cleaners) huddled outside in the rain, but even they have been moved on now!

 

Bring on the ban! As for the whole music and band thing, well thats your choice as to the type of pub you visit. When my friends come back from uni we all go to a nice quiet local bar for a chat then onto a proper pub for a good night. Both of those have smoke in though, no choice there, quiet or loud pub we have to suffer the smoke!

 

I notice a fair amount of reference to smoking being a HABIT. Please call it what it is, an ADDICTION.

 

What's more its an addiction that was endorsed and is still heavily taxed by the state for several decades until it became socially unacceptable.

 

Now Heroin/coke addicts etc can get free support from the state and free methodone (still a drug) to help kick their habit but those sort of addictions have never been state approved or heavily taxed.

 

Wheres the payback to people who want to give up an addiction that they have paid extortionate taxes on for most of their lives? Where's the support and free treatment and medication to help give it up.

 

Yet again the law breakers are being supported and the law abiding are getting the **** t y end of the stick with what is arguably a more addictive drug.

 

I'll get back in me bike shed for a craft drag now

Dave

the high taxes on cigarettes are there to recoup the cost of cancer ops etc induced by the smoking in the first place. Now, as heroin is not legalised how do you tax it? The logic behind the support to get people off herion is that their habbit is a lot more addictive (anyone who really believes that is naive) and as a result, engage in lots of crime which unfortunately effects society (muggings and burgalry). So it actuallity we are better off spending some money getting people off herion and reaping the rewards of removing drug fueled crime.

 

Dan

[NorfolkBoy]

Quote Naddan

 

"The logic behind the support to get people off herion is that their habbit is a lot more addictive (anyone who really believes that is naive)"

 

Are you saying that heroin is less addictive than tobacco or vice versa?

[naddan28]

Quote Naddan

 

"The logic behind the support to get people off herion is that their habbit is a lot more addictive (anyone who really believes that is naive)"

 

Are you saying that heroin is less addictive than tobacco or vice versa?

sorry should have re wrote that, anyone who believes nicotine is more adictive than herion is naive in my opinion.

[DaveK]

Are you saying that heroin is less addictive than tobacco or vice versa?

 

 

Theres views on both sides of that one but one view is that nicotine is more physically addictive and heroin causes more of a psychological dependency. Bu55ered if I know, I'm not a chemist.

 

Who knows what to believe, one week spuds cause obeseness then the next they're good for you. They'll feed us any propaganda and spin that makes them look good and more electable (the govt that is)

[naddan28]

Quote Naddan

 

"The logic behind the support to get people off herion is that their habbit is a lot more addictive (anyone who really believes that is naive)"

 

Are you saying that heroin is less addictive than tobacco or vice versa?

sorry should have re wrote that, anyone who believes nicotine is more adictive than herion is naive in my opinion.

[Markio]

I'll be honest, i can't be ***** to read the whole thread but i get the jist of a lot of points. Here's my 2p.

 

Gave up smoking Feb '06. Spent many evenings over many years (in my short life so far) in pubs smoking. Every night i spent in a pub i was almost chain smoking, there was no need for that. Had i not given up i wouldn't feel this up and coming ban a major issue. I would have had a ciggie where ever i was allowed at a more 'normal' frequency.

 

Smoking to a non smoker is as appealing/sociable as a drunk bloke gobbing off to a sober man, yet the later would not be tolerated in a pub.