Royboy Posted May 23, 2017 Report Share Posted May 23, 2017 Hi, I had a couple of walls knocked out and steel put in a few years ago and was told I didn't need Regs but now I've been told I do. I've spoke to the council and they want plans drawing up and measurementt of the steel. I don't know the measurements of the steel but I do have pictures, he said that should do but what I think I'll struggle with is the drawing of plans. Somebody's told me that there's a website I can go on that will show the plans of my house then I can just cross out the walls I've knocked down ?? Any body any ideas ? Cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archie-fox Posted May 23, 2017 Report Share Posted May 23, 2017 Is this to sell your house? Just curious why they would suddenly ask for regs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royboy Posted May 23, 2017 Author Report Share Posted May 23, 2017 They haven't, my girlfriend is panicking about it and wants me to sort it out incase we do sell it. She does have a point though, a sale would probably go more smooth if I had a certificate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archie-fox Posted May 23, 2017 Report Share Posted May 23, 2017 All you need if you sell is a indemnity cert, your solicitor should sort it when you sell.. I had the same when I sold my house, cost me £70 through my solicitor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDog Posted May 23, 2017 Report Share Posted May 23, 2017 Indemnity cert. may be fine but Building Regs. are better in the case of selling the house. Royboy, you may need to chase the supplier of the steel for the size and strength and load bearing capacity calculations. I have known house sales fall through if these have not been available. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royboy Posted May 23, 2017 Author Report Share Posted May 23, 2017 I've been told about indemnity certificates but I think I'd rather have building regs as jdog says, My local council have said they should be able to judge the steel size and strength from the pictures I've taken. I just need to draw up some plans but was hoping I could get of the original floor plan drawings to make it easier but I can't seem to find any Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
millrace Posted May 23, 2017 Report Share Posted May 23, 2017 (edited) Judge from pictures.....sorry but no chance.....lol steel can be many weights but the same size.....its the kg per mtr that give strength and would be near impossible to guess...and then sugn off and stand over... Edited May 23, 2017 by millrace Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royboy Posted May 23, 2017 Author Report Share Posted May 23, 2017 Judge from pictures.....sorry but no chance.....lol steel can be many weights but the same size.....its the kg per mtr that give strength and would be near impossible to guess...and then sugn off and stand over... I thought that but I'm willing to give it a try if the main building Regulation officer at my local council says he can, all I want is the certificate I'm not bothered about anything else Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobt Posted May 23, 2017 Report Share Posted May 23, 2017 Ask him round, offer a cuppa, and ask for a regularisation cert, you wont need plans. it will cost you, the indemnity only covers against prosecution, not that it wont fall down. would you buy a house like that? btw Im a BCO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royboy Posted May 23, 2017 Author Report Share Posted May 23, 2017 Ask him round, offer a cuppa, and ask for a regularisation cert, you wont need plans. it will cost you, the indemnity only covers against prosecution, not that it wont fall down. would you buy a house like that? btw Im a BCO. Thanks for that, maybe I'll send my photos in then make him a appointment for him to visit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cosd Posted May 24, 2017 Report Share Posted May 24, 2017 You may need a profesional to draw your plans. The point being they would want to see what is above the wall that was removed as well as details around the steal itself. You are making the right decision to get this done now, though indemnity insurance may not matter to some buyers, it will deter others. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lloydi73 Posted May 24, 2017 Report Share Posted May 24, 2017 I thought that but I'm willing to give it a try if the main building Regulation officer at my local council says he can, all I want is the certificate I'm not bothered about anything else You'll be lucky to get somebody to put their PI on the line and warrant, to guess if a steel is adequate from a picture. Did you not have an Engineer look over, as it's usually them that will work out the size of the beam you require. They should have produced a cutting schedule that, as Millrace above has already stated, will give you shape, length and Kg/m bearing capacity. the Engineer should still have these records. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royboy Posted May 24, 2017 Author Report Share Posted May 24, 2017 You'll be lucky to get somebody to put their PI on the line and warrant, to guess if a steel is adequate from a picture. Did you not have an Engineer look over, as it's usually them that will work out the size of the beam you require. They should have produced a cutting schedule that, as Millrace above has already stated, will give you shape, length and Kg/m bearing capacity. the Engineer should still have these records. I'll have to speak to the bricky that did the work, he got the steel from a building supply's. So if I rang the engineer at the building supply's he will be able to give me the measurements? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lloydi73 Posted May 24, 2017 Report Share Posted May 24, 2017 I'll have to speak to the bricky that did the work, he got the steel from a building supply's. So if I rang the engineer at the building supply's he will be able to give me the measurements? No, I doubt the Building Suppler will have an Engineer. Without knowing the size and extent as to what alterations you did, usually if you're knocking down walls, especially loadbearing internal ones, an Engineer would have needed to review?!? Like I said, I don't know the extent, if it's juts bridging a doorway, then yes, a steel from any builders yard would do it, but if it's spanning the length or width of a room carrying the floor above, I would have thought an independent Engineer would have needed to at least review.......Sorry, not trying to scare you, but I do this daily....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royboy Posted May 24, 2017 Author Report Share Posted May 24, 2017 No, I doubt the Building Suppler will have an Engineer. Without knowing the size and extent as to what alterations you did, usually if you're knocking down walls, especially loadbearing internal ones, an Engineer would have needed to review?!? Like I said, I don't know the extent, if it's juts bridging a doorway, then yes, a steel from any builders yard would do it, but if it's spanning the length or width of a room carrying the floor above, I would have thought an independent Engineer would have needed to at least review.......Sorry, not trying to scare you, but I do this daily.......Haha 🙈 Your scaring me !! It will be reet im sure Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lloydi73 Posted May 24, 2017 Report Share Posted May 24, 2017 Haha Your scaring me !! It will be reet im sure LOl.....I hope so for you, I know how stressful and hassle this causes....good luck Royboy, let us know how you get on..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royboy Posted May 24, 2017 Author Report Share Posted May 24, 2017 LOl.....I hope so for you, I know how stressful and hassle this causes....good luck Royboy, let us know how you get on..... Cheers mate 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cosd Posted May 24, 2017 Report Share Posted May 24, 2017 In future, other than spanning a doorway, question any builder who is happy to fit a steal without professional calculations however much experience he has. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cosd Posted May 24, 2017 Report Share Posted May 24, 2017 In future, other than spanning a doorway, question any builder who is happy to fit a steal without professional calculations however much experience he has. Sorry, that sounded like i was telling OP off It was intended as friendly advice..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WGD Posted May 24, 2017 Report Share Posted May 24, 2017 Can you expose the beam locally, underside to establish flange width and side to establish height and flange thickness; that will tell you the section size - being fairly recent it will probably be a standard UB section - and an engineer if it comes to it can confirm it is adequate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDog Posted May 24, 2017 Report Share Posted May 24, 2017 Royboy I bet you are not passing on all of this scary information to your girl friend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lloydi73 Posted May 24, 2017 Report Share Posted May 24, 2017 Can you expose the beam locally, underside to establish flange width and side to establish height and flange thickness; that will tell you the section size - being fairly recent it will probably be a standard UB section - and an engineer if it comes to it can confirm it is adequate. :good: This is a good idea.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royboy Posted May 24, 2017 Author Report Share Posted May 24, 2017 Royboy I bet you are not passing on all of this scary information to your girl friend. Haha no chance, I'm telling her it's a walk in the park ! Sorry, that sounded like i was telling OP off It was intended as friendly advice..... Haha I know what you mean, I think my builder was trying to do me a favour but he's not at all Can you expose the beam locally, underside to establish flange width and side to establish height and flange thickness; that will tell you the section size - being fairly recent it will probably be a standard UB section - and an engineer if it comes to it can confirm it is adequate. it might end up going this route Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobt Posted May 24, 2017 Report Share Posted May 24, 2017 just ring the BCO and ask them to call Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royboy Posted May 24, 2017 Author Report Share Posted May 24, 2017 The BCO has just rang me back and he seems a really nice bloke. He said my drawings don't have to be professional and send it in with my photos and he should be able to sort something. It's worth a try Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.