dodeer Posted August 9, 2017 Report Share Posted August 9, 2017 Capercaillie I'll get me coat. You wouldn't use that cartridge on a Capper tho ( i know you were making it in jest) I shot my Capper in Bulgaria with a 40gr 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
das Posted August 9, 2017 Report Share Posted August 9, 2017 Grouse extreme? A cheap old ounce of 7 would do me. Agree! Many years ago when I was fortunate to shoot driven grouse, tho good old Eley Impax 1oz. of no 7 was all that was required. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matone Posted August 9, 2017 Report Share Posted August 9, 2017 Agree! Many years ago when I was fortunate to shoot driven grouse, tho good old Eley Impax 1oz. of no 7 was all that was required. ..and still is! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted August 9, 2017 Report Share Posted August 9, 2017 Exactly. Barrels, chokes, firing pins, primers, powder, lead shot. None of the major features of the shotgun has changed in 100 years. OK, they can increase the energy density of the powder or the muzzle velocities if they have to, but nothing about shot-meets-choke-gets-squeezed-flies-out-kills-bird has changed since we were using 900fps black powder cartridges. Ergo, you might need one or two brands of cartridges to cope with genuinely unusual / finicky guns, but after that, it's all marketing, and we swallow it up! Well - some of us, anyway. Oh, if only that was true! I'm so old I can remember when what was on the box was also in the cartridge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neutron619 Posted August 9, 2017 Report Share Posted August 9, 2017 Oh, if only that was true! I'm so old I can remember when what was on the box was also in the cartridge. My point was only that we use lead shot now; people used lead shot 100 years ago. The technology hasn't changed. Whether or not it is exactly 2.4mm in diameter wasn't really relevant to what I was trying to say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted August 9, 2017 Report Share Posted August 9, 2017 My point was only that we use lead shot now; people used lead shot 100 years ago. The technology hasn't changed. Whether or not it is exactly 2.4mm in diameter wasn't really relevant to what I was trying to say. Yep, didn't mean to upset you. What you say is perfectly true. Wasn't having a dig at you, rather the current situation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neutron619 Posted August 9, 2017 Report Share Posted August 9, 2017 (edited) Yep, didn't mean to upset you. What you say is perfectly true. Wasn't having a dig at you, rather the current situation. *Hat Tip* You didn't - just clarifying what I'd said in case anyone else thought I'd implied something I didn't intend. Your point about what's on boxes is also valid, of course. Not to mention the fact that one always has to do mental acrobatics when a dealer says "we've got #6s" and you have to remember whether they're Italian, English, etc. Edited August 9, 2017 by neutron619 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted August 9, 2017 Report Share Posted August 9, 2017 The points of a mm in continental to English don't make that much difference to the bird. Bet most grouse are shot at around 30 yards so any 7.5 fiber clay cart would do the job. The old 7 shot will have been bigger and smaller than a size seven. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neutron619 Posted August 9, 2017 Report Share Posted August 9, 2017 (edited) The points of a mm in continental to English don't make that much difference to the bird. Bet most grouse are shot at around 30 yards so any 7.5 fiber clay cart would do the job. The old 7 shot will have been bigger and smaller than a size seven. No indeed. I didn't mean to imply that I thought they did. I was just being sympathetic. Edited August 9, 2017 by neutron619 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted August 9, 2017 Report Share Posted August 9, 2017 The points of a mm in continental to English don't make that much difference to the bird. Bet most grouse are shot at around 30 yards so any 7.5 fiber clay cart would do the job. The old 7 shot will have been bigger and smaller than a size seven. I thought it was only Hull that re-categorised shot size. But it's all good fun. The makers tell us that they could kill grouse at 70 metres, but assuming a standard English full choke, then BASC tell us that a little over 40 yards will be the max'. Just as well I can't afford it - it's confusing enough trying to kill pigeon - nigh on 60 years and still can't get it right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inter Nos Posted April 24, 2019 Report Share Posted April 24, 2019 (edited) On 09/08/2017 at 12:05, dodeer said: You wouldn't use that cartridge on a Capper tho ( i know you were making it in jest) I shot my Capper in Bulgaria with a 40gr 0 Last season (2018) I shot two capercaillies with Gyttorp Light 32g #6 (dia 2,8mm), distance 25 and 30m, chokes 1/4 and 3/4. Now I'm considering to replace Gyttorp with Gamebore due to fibre wad instead of plastic. Edited April 24, 2019 by Inter Nos Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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