Am I mad?

[lancer425]

Browning DJC was asking about series 3 lightweight, this could have a v8 or a 200 tdi but it would have come with a 2286cc petrol will have been very slow i mean slow slow. Screaming on stock tyres it will have may be done 60mph with an fairley od no more speed just knocked off a few RPM . We are talking like why are all these cars cutting in way too early when overtaking me on a

. regular basis, everything and i mean everything is passing you.

 If its got a diesel in it wont do 60mph but might just haul the fairley od gearing a little better a lot of leavers to move you can of course just leave it in but not recommended for long term survival of the od.

 All this is at a thunderous maximum revs with all it heat asthmatic engine behaviour and vibrations a realistic cruising speed in od is 45 for a diesel one other bit of bad news diesel engine life at max revs they do not fare that well with a restively typical 2286cc diesel 3 lightweight

 

with od if you wereto get on the m180 at Humberside airport by the time you got to the A1 north you will have been flashed at by at least 20 lories who will drive a long side you looking at you fight for dear life to control the well maintained yet antiquated steering in the buffering the square un aerodynamic LR is during all this screaming to maintain on the flat 60mph.

  Wile all this is going on Fuel is disappearing fast you wont make Bedale no way on the stock LR tank.

19mpg is what you will get doing this. by the time you eventually get to new-burgh in scotland about 7 hours later after stopping more times than a service bus to recover and refuel check levels a journey of just under 350 miles generally takes about 5 hours in a real car.

 By this time you will have used about a hundred quid in diesel lord knows whatever oil you will have shook some bolts loose what you can see regardless of how care full you were with the lock tite, your passenger will have long since stopped talking to you and you will alight from your trusty icon feeling like you just got off the star ship enterprise, you Will feel Numb. the dog will look and be bewildered 

 Then you will go do a morning flight be exhausted get back to a full of condensation cold LR with a poor heater you have to cuddle to feel the benefit off. Yet amidst all this negativity you can take a small crumb of comfort knowing you have it all to do again at some point to get home.

 

 Any true seriesLR owner user can relate well to every word of this, and if different their series is on a lt77 or r380 box and a 200 or 300 tdi or similar diesel engine and  wont be running 4.7 diffs and most probably be on coils, but then it wont be a series 3 lightweight well not an original one put it that way.

 

 

 

 

Edited February 8, 2018 by lancer425

[Walker570]

Well, isn't that the joy of owning a Land Rover.  Mine is a 1989 model. It started life with the stock deisel engine but someone decided they wanted a 3.5 V8 in it and had  a firm at Telford convert the standard gear box to fit in a fashion. It was quite clever really but think about it. The shaft from gearbox to engine should link with the propshaft but this had been converted to fit into the clutch plate !!!  Not good, loads of vibration. I purchased it for a song and went ahead and changed the gearbox to the LT85 Spanish job which was built for the V8. I then acquired a 3964cc custom built V8 and linked this up, putting LPG on from the start.  Recently , although the chassis had passed the MOT, I up graded to a galvanised chassis.... thinking another 30yrs ...wishful thinking I know ...me not the Landie and added a RRClassic back axle which upgraded the back end to disc brakes.  Polybushed all round....... basically there is no end to what you can do to a Land Rover.  I have not even scratched the surface.   Cruise happily in fifth gear at the legal limit, pulls a couple of tons of logs without a whimper and frightens boy racers at traffic lights.  

If I'm a good ol' boy and don't press the pedal too hard, I put my gas mileage at about 34mpg at cost against petrol. Oh and just added a neat set up which ads lubricant to the valve guides because LPG is very dry.

 

Oh forgot. It also has full 'banana' exhaust manifolds and stainless steel exhaust  two Cherrybombs. Sounds lovely.

 

Oh! and it still looks like a scruffy old Landie in a coat of many colours

Edited February 8, 2018 by Walker570

[lancer425]

1 hour ago, Walker570 said:

Well, isn't that the joy of owning a Land Rover.  Mine is a 1989 model. It started life with the stock deisel engine but someone decided they wanted a 3.5 V8 in it and had  a firm at Telford convert the standard gear box to fit in a fashion. It was quite clever really but think about it. The shaft from gearbox to engine should link with the propshaft but this had been converted to fit into the clutch plate !!!  Not good, loads of vibration. I purchased it for a song and went ahead and changed the gearbox to the LT85 Spanish job which was built for the V8. I then acquired a 3964cc custom built V8 and linked this up, putting LPG on from the start.  Recently , although the chassis had passed the MOT, I up graded to a galvanised chassis.... thinking another 30yrs ...wishful thinking I know ...me not the Landie and added a RRClassic back axle which upgraded the back end to disc brakes.  Polybushed all round....... basically there is no end to what you can do to a Land Rover.  I have not even scratched the surface.   Cruise happily in fifth gear at the legal limit, pulls a couple of tons of logs without a whimper and frightens boy racers at traffic lights.  

If I'm a good ol' boy and don't press the pedal too hard, I put my gas mileage at about 34mpg at cost against petrol. Oh and just added a neat set up which ads lubricant to the valve guides because LPG is very dry.

 

Oh forgot. It also has full 'banana' exhaust manifolds and stainless steel exhaust  two Cherrybombs. Sounds lovely.

 

Oh! and it still looks like a scruffy old Landie in a coat of many colours

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Sorry man but all that will be very old by leeming bar.

 

Any Jap will eat that trip right down to the most basic commercials like short terranos or ex RAC troopers eat the trip faster less fuel  And

safer, WHY!? out classed out dated it makes no logical sense.

Nip three miles up the shoot twice a day feed up ok twice a month on shoot days travel b roads ten miles to shoots but please dont try passing them off as practical or long lived the best maintained drum brakes lr ever fitted are barely adequate you can only set them up properly them press the brake pedal after that you are nervous .

Edited February 8, 2018 by lancer425

[oowee]

7 hours ago, lancer425 said:

Browning DJC was asking about series 3 lightweight, this could have a v8 or a 200 tdi but it would have come with a 2286cc petrol will have been very slow i mean slow slow. Screaming on stock tyres it will have may be done 60mph with an fairley od no more speed just knocked off a few RPM . We are talking like why are all these cars cutting in way too early when overtaking me on a

. regular basis, everything and i mean everything is passing you.

 If its got a diesel in it wont do 60mph but might just haul the fairley od gearing a little better a lot of leavers to move you can of course just leave it in but not recommended for long term survival of the od.

 All this is at a thunderous maximum revs with all it heat asthmatic engine behaviour and vibrations a realistic cruising speed in od is 45 for a diesel one other bit of bad news diesel engine life at max revs they do not fare that well with a restively typical 2286cc diesel 3 lightweight

 

with od if you wereto get on the m180 at Humberside airport by the time you got to the A1 north you will have been flashed at by at least 20 lories who will drive a long side you looking at you fight for dear life to control the well maintained yet antiquated steering in the buffering the square un aerodynamic LR is during all this screaming to maintain on the flat 60mph.

  Wile all this is going on Fuel is disappearing fast you wont make Bedale no way on the stock LR tank.

19mpg is what you will get doing this. by the time you eventually get to new-burgh in scotland about 7 hours later after stopping more times than a service bus to recover and refuel check levels a journey of just under 350 miles generally takes about 5 hours in a real car.

 By this time you will have used about a hundred quid in diesel lord knows whatever oil you will have shook some bolts loose what you can see regardless of how care full you were with the lock tite, your passenger will have long since stopped talking to you and you will alight from your trusty icon feeling like you just got off the star ship enterprise, you Will feel Numb. the dog will look and be bewildered 

 Then you will go do a morning flight be exhausted get back to a full of condensation cold LR with a poor heater you have to cuddle to feel the benefit off. Yet amidst all this negativity you can take a small crumb of comfort knowing you have it all to do again at some point to get home.

 Any true seriesLR owner user can relate well to every word of this, and if different their series is on a lt77 or r380 box and a 200 or 300 tdi or similar diesel engine and  wont be running 4.7 diffs and most probably be on coils, but then it wont be a series 3 lightweight well not an original one put it that way.

Truly brilliant start to my day. Excellent post.

 

Having always wanted one, getting one, hating it and getting rid of it I am a Hilux convert.

[SpringDon]

Yawn, if you don’t like them don’t get one.

Lightweight weren’t fitted with diesel as standard. The 2 1/4 Petrol is quite a good motor for it’s time and is easily tuneable. Stock tyres are probably a bad idea just because you can’t get radials in that size. And why is an over drive “lots of levers”? It’s one.

and another thing, the tls brakes are about as good as road car drums get. ‘Course they’re not as good as disks. But that’s because they’re  drums.

[Walker570]

Had an overdrive on my Rangie and it was superb. 

[Scully]

5 hours ago, SpringDon said:

Yawn, if you don’t like them don’t get one.

Lightweight weren’t fitted with diesel as standard. The 2 1/4 Petrol is quite a good motor for it’s time and is easily tuneable. Stock tyres are probably a bad idea just because you can’t get radials in that size. And why is an over drive “lots of levers”? It’s one.

and another thing, the tls brakes are about as good as road car drums get. ‘Course they’re not as good as disks. But that’s because they’re  drums.

Exactly; don’t get one! 

My son and a few of his classmates learned a lot at their local Heritage Centre after the school bought a LWT for them to dismantle and restore to a runnable level. They really enjoyed it and I think it’s still doing the rounds as the following academic years do similar.

I find these Landrover threads constantly amusing as they never fail to bring out all manner of astonishing vitriol. Yet despite what anyone says, it’s a fact that Landrovers (especially the Series and early Range Rovers, and now Defenders )  still remain one of the most sought after and desirable marques on the road today, with some classics commanding ludicrously high prices. 

[lancer425]

Nothing astonishing in anything i imparted to this subject, and none of it is biassed in anyway. But the real facts need presenting on these old seriesLRs i would not like to think anybody asked for advice and got given the impression these are going to perform handle brake anything like a typical modern 4x4 pick up many potential buyers of Series Lightweights could so easily be attracted to them as one member clearly was only to be disappointed once they have perhaps committed to buy such a vehicle on say ebay for example, to then have to re sell. .

The od is one more leaver but not the easiest to engage disengage certainly areach and not typical of any other 4x4v but series and early RRs.

 And if you read my text i state quite clearly they came with petrol 2286 cc.

Browning DJC was asking about series 3 lightweight, this could have a v8 or a 200 tdi but it would have come with a 2286cc petrol will have been very slow i mean slow slow.

  The Ex Rover P4 80 four cylinder OHV is no icon of tuning they can have a webber carb adaptor plate but any improvements in power will be abssorbed by the even more diabolical MPG 10 mpg is not uncommon on these engines if driven hard. and is the primary reason i included the diesel derivative of that engine a common install into many civilised lightweights.

I respect it iseveryones choice to approve or disapprove of aseries3 lightweight, i would have one tomorrow a fitted for radar and i would run it stock with the2286 petrol, because i would do no more than ten miles a week in it during the season rest of the time i would park it up in the barn.

  Browning DJC and anyone else needs the real story though, school projects hobby cars and projects are very different .to a practical everyday car.

My question again is WHY?

And if you can draw your own conclusions .based on what you want to do with a series 3 lightweight, and you are aware of the typical performance then n buy one. 

 

[SpringDon]

We’ll have to agree to differ but I have to concur with mr.scully.

Ultimately, it’s personal choice. Whether you prefer a vehicle redolent of a gentler time, as featured in such programs as ‘heartbeat’ or ‘last of the summer wine’, or vehicles favoured by deranged bloodthirsty terrorists, as featured in such programs as, er, ‘the news’.

[Scully]

On 09/02/2018 at 20:25, lancer425 said:

Nothing astonishing in anything i imparted to this subject, and none of it is biassed in anyway. But the real facts need presenting on these old seriesLRs i would not like to think anybody asked for advice and got given the impression these are going to perform handle brake anything like a typical modern 4x4 pick up many potential buyers of Series Lightweights could so easily be attracted to them as one member clearly was only to be disappointed once they have perhaps committed to buy such a vehicle on say ebay for example, to then have to re sell. .

The od is one more leaver but not the easiest to engage disengage certainly areach and not typical of any other 4x4v but series and early RRs.

 And if you read my text i state quite clearly they came with petrol 2286 cc.

Browning DJC was asking about series 3 lightweight, this could have a v8 or a 200 tdi but it would have come with a 2286cc petrol will have been very slow i mean slow slow.

  The Ex Rover P4 80 four cylinder OHV is no icon of tuning they can have a webber carb adaptor plate but any improvements in power will be abssorbed by the even more diabolical MPG 10 mpg is not uncommon on these engines if driven hard. and is the primary reason i included the diesel derivative of that engine a common install into many civilised lightweights.

I respect it iseveryones choice to approve or disapprove of aseries3 lightweight, i would have one tomorrow a fitted for radar and i would run it stock with the2286 petrol, because i would do no more than ten miles a week in it during the season rest of the time i would park it up in the barn.

  Browning DJC and anyone else needs the real story though, school projects hobby cars and projects are very different .to a practical everyday car.

My question again is WHY?

And if you can draw your own conclusions .based on what you want to do with a series 3 lightweight, and you are aware of the typical performance then n buy one. 

 

I cant really disagre with most of what you say; you obviously have the experience to have lived what you say. I’m not trying to pick an argument; I just get peed off with some who rather than consider a decent debate, just simply slag them off. I genuinely believe that some get the hump because of their popularity through some misguided sense of jealousy, or something like that. 

I’m a Landrover fan. I am well aware of their shortcomings and like I said, no one is claiming there aren’t better vehicles on the road, but LR’s have an astonishingly loyal fan base ( LR have just brought out a 70 year celebration V8; there are 150 of them and they are £150,000 each! Apparently most are already sold! ) and that fan base are totally aware of their shortcomings. 

I bought a 200 tdi as a daily work vehicle, after owning a Disco 1. It has its problems admittedly, but never ever failed to start, even after sitting in the paddock since before Christmas. 

Maybe their owners are nutters, I don’t know, or perhaps they just like the look and feel of a LR. I currently own both a 1974 hybrid and a 2.4 TDCi. They are both headturners ( and attract the inevitable thumbs up ) and when I see them parked outside they both make me smile .  

My OH loves mine, even though you can only hear the radio in one! ?

[jam1e]

If you like spending plenty of time scrobbling about with spanners over or under a vehicle then a Landie is for you! I've driven a series 2 for a week, and that was enough to put me off. But having said that, they are remarkably easy to work on and exchange bits. For a toy, to work on regularly, i can see the benefit. But no way as a regular drive though.....

[lancer425]

47 minutes ago, Scully said:

I cant really disagre with most of what you say; you obviously have the experience to have lived what you say. I’m not trying to pick an argument; I just get peed off with some who rather than consider a decent debate, just simply slag them off. I genuinely believe that some get the hump because of their popularity through some misguided sense of jealousy, or something like that. 

I’m a Landrover fan. I am well aware of their shortcomings and like I said, no one is claiming there aren’t better vehicles on the road, but LR’s have an astonishingly loyal fan base ( LR have just brought out a 70 year celebration V8; there are 150 of them and they are £150,000 each! Apparently most are already sold! ) and that fan base are totally aware of their shortcomings. 

I bought a 200 tdi as a daily work vehicle, after owning a Disco 1. It has its problems admittedly, but never ever failed to start, even after sitting in the paddock since before Christmas. 

Maybe their owners are nutters, I don’t know, or perhaps they just like the look and feel of a LR. I currently own both a 1974 hybrid and a 2.4 TDCi. They are both headturners ( and attract the inevitable thumbs up ) and when I see them parked outside they both make me smile .  

My OH loves mine, even though you can only hear the radio in one! ?

 I give An accurate account of what a350 mile trip from Humberside airport to  the A90 scotland would be like  in a series 2286cc diesel with OD. . it was not biassed for or against, just the real facts. My intention was not to offend anyone, just convey the real facts  with real world costs of such a trip.

I am sorry if i offended you or anyone else.

 

15 minutes ago, jam1e said:

If you like spending plenty of time scrobbling about with spanners over or under a vehicle then a Landie is for you! I've driven a series 2 for a week, and that was enough to put me off. But having said that, they are remarkably easy to work on and exchange bits. For a toy, to work on regularly, i can see the benefit. But no way as a regular drive though.....

 All i ever tried to say.

[Scully]

1 hour ago, jam1e said:

If you like spending plenty of time scrobbling about with spanners over or under a vehicle then a Landie is for you! I've driven a series 2 for a week, and that was enough to put me off. But having said that, they are remarkably easy to work on and exchange bits. For a toy, to work on regularly, i can see the benefit. But no way as a regular drive though.....

This is exactly what I mean! You drove a S II ‘for a week’! I’ve driven one  ( a hybrid SII admittedly ) for over five years now as my daily work vehicle. I’m self employed and don’t really want something which will cost me time and money by spending its time being worked on. It had a 3.5 V8 Rover engine in it when I bought it, which wasn’t practical, so I had a 200 tdi of unknown mileage ..... ( though it was claimed to be 75k ) fitted, in part ex’ of my Disco 1 with a 300 tdi of something like 101k on the clock. Apart from a replaced UJ and an admittedly scary episode where it started smoking ( it had been earthed to the handbrake cable! ?) it has never let me down nor failed to start. 

I still own it but have a 2.4 TDCi as my work vehicle, but have two offers of over £2500.00 for the hybrid. I paid £2000. 00 for it five years ago. Go figure. 

[lancer425]

10 minutes ago, Scully said:

This is exactly what I mean! You drove a S II ‘for a week’! I’ve driven one  ( a hybrid SII admittedly ) for over five years now as my daily work vehicle. I’m self employed and don’t really want something which will cost me time and money by spending its time being worked on. It had a 3.5 V8 Rover engine in it when I bought it, which wasn’t practical, so I had a 200 tdi of unknown mileage ..... ( though it was claimed to be 75k ) fitted, in part ex’ of my Disco 1 with a 300 tdi of something like 101k on the clock. Apart from a replaced UJ and an admittedly scary episode where it started smoking ( it had been earthed to the handbrake cable! ?) it has never let me down nor failed to start. 

I still own it but have a 2.4 TDCi as my work vehicle, but have two offers of over £2500.00 for the hybrid. I paid £2000. 00 for it five years ago. Go figure. 

a hybrid SII.   

 You can not compare a hybrid seriess2 to a series 2 in anyway, it could be anything . could have disks all round or be on 90 axles be done any number of ways any number of configurations and mechanical components .

 Fact it had av8 in it could be RR based but was it older one 4 speed od or a classic with the LT77 or  even a latter box?

 Fact you put a200 in gives it a simple strong dependable diesel it will be much higher geared and probable power steering, if series2 Hybrids . exactly how much series2?  What Chassis ? Hybrib suggests in my terminology a shortened RR chassis series outriggers welded on could be arrow chassis or other after market.

 Next up bulkheads is it aseries2 ? Then Doors what doors? .

. Roof is it series or 90 trimmed down? , what length is it 80 87 88 90 100 ? what back tub.? Power steering?

 The variables are huge and any one or multiples of the considerations i mention coupled with a 200tdi and 3.59 diffs and a five speed box will be a very different drive to a stock series 2 even though physically they are both LR vehicles.

 This is the trouble with Land rovers that many running around not that obviously modified to the casual eye but to the knowledgeable or with a little digging around under the surface the % or series Lr left on such vehicles is variable, and this changes true concepts on genuine series LR performance.

 Many thought or think they experienced a series2 or 3 yet in reality were drawing driving and performance characteristics from a very different beast all together.

 

[Walker570]

Lancer,  you have just fully described WHY we love Land Rovers ....try doing all that with your tin box Jap pickups. 

[lancer425]

2 hours ago, Walker570 said:

Lancer,  you have just fully described WHY we love Land Rovers ....try doing all that with your tin box Jap pickups. 

Edited February 11, 2018 by lancer425