ChrisAsh Posted March 18, 2018 Report Share Posted March 18, 2018 Perhaps someone with experience can tell me if its possible to home load a 410 cartridge using 9 shot in 14 oz for skeet, cheaper than the cheapest 12 gauge cartridges i buy now at £5.00 per box If so would using the brass cartridges re-bored to take standard primers also make a big difference Quite honestly I am going through a tough financial period and £5.00 a box is limiting my shooting and it looks like all clay cartridges will soon be above that number soon If it can be done please say how Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dasher Posted March 18, 2018 Report Share Posted March 18, 2018 Don't forget that the brass cartridges will have thinner walls than a plastic case so over sized wads are needed and plastic shot cups don't fit well. I have in the past reloaded Magtech cases drilled out to take 209 primers, these worked OK using fibre wads etc. from Circlefly, but over time you will need to glue the primers in. Personally I would stick with plastic cases and standard wads, cups etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy H Posted March 18, 2018 Report Share Posted March 18, 2018 As above but i use brasscases with large pistol primers for my subsonic loads and plastic for everything else , Shop around for components Siarm , Folkstone eng etc and you will be able to reload for less than a fiver a box. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walker570 Posted March 18, 2018 Report Share Posted March 18, 2018 I honestly have not priced what my reloads cost me but I would think after the initial outlay for dies etc., they would work out much cheaper. I load for game/pigeons at 18.5grms and they do the job. Loaded with 8s would work very well I would think. Stick to the plastic cases less hassle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swan40 Posted March 18, 2018 Report Share Posted March 18, 2018 Yes you can put together a good skeet load for .410 for less than £5 a box with out compromising on any ingredients , the killer is the price of powder unbelievable £80 per kg and more for US powders but at least you do not have to use to much . I believe one of the lovex powders is ok for .410 has any body any experience as the price a bit better but i have no info. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walker570 Posted March 18, 2018 Report Share Posted March 18, 2018 (edited) I use SP3, don't know where that is manufactured, but it works. Check out Folkestone Eng web site for loads. They kill pheasants and partridge so will break clays for sure. Edited March 18, 2018 by Walker570 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisAsh Posted March 18, 2018 Author Report Share Posted March 18, 2018 Thanks guy's you are all quite fast off the ball 4 answers in just over a hour or two Problem is I need to get well under a £5 to make it worth while, anyone loaded steel and seen much difference in price against lead for the 410 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swan40 Posted March 18, 2018 Report Share Posted March 18, 2018 The steel question is a bit of a non starter because steel .410 wads are 11p each which is more than the lead and wad put together , also they only hold 10 grams of steel shot which I doubt would help in a skeet competition (as there never seems to me to be enough pellets anyway ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walker570 Posted March 18, 2018 Report Share Posted March 18, 2018 (edited) John, at Folkestone calculates that you can save around £75 on a thousand 410s, on materials. Shop price is well over £250 thousand for 3 inch shells. Have not bothered with steel so can't answer your question on that. Finding the cases may be a problem. I tend to buy 250 Fiocchi factory at the start of a season and then these will reload a couple of times and see me through a couple of seasons maybe. I also have a few friends who don't reload but save the cases for me. Just a tip. I weigh all of my powder on scales and then on my fibre wad loads I have worked out just how full the cases can be to get a really neat crimp and that works out at 18.5grms. 410s are just a bit more finicky and I pour the lead. I only use my MEC loader for depriming and re priming, seating the wad and crimping. The patterns at 35yrds on my fibre loads are excellent with a dense area in the centre 18 inches. That is with the #2 choke tube in my 30 inch Yilditz barrels. I do recommend checking your loads on a plate as well. Edited March 18, 2018 by Walker570 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swan40 Posted March 18, 2018 Report Share Posted March 18, 2018 I would go along with the above post with the costing of about £170 ish with buying all the ingredient today . May i suggest if you want to shoot skeet with the .410 find someone who actually dose it well and reloads, although it is not magic they may have some tips for you because in my experience getting a really good competitive and consistent cartridge is perhaps not as easy as some think, also you are dealing with quite high pressure loads Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motty Posted March 18, 2018 Report Share Posted March 18, 2018 28 minutes ago, swan40 said: The steel question is a bit of a non starter because steel .410 wads are 11p each which is more than the lead and wad put together , also they only hold 10 grams of steel shot which I doubt would help in a skeet competition (as there never seems to me to be enough pellets anyway ) I understand your point about steel wad cost, but 10 grams of steel will have more pellets than 14 grams of lead of the same size. I doubt the op wants the shells for competition. 3 hours ago, ChrisAsh said: Perhaps someone with experience can tell me if its possible to home load a 410 cartridge using 9 shot in 14 oz for skeet, cheaper than the cheapest 12 gauge cartridges i buy now at £5.00 per box If so would using the brass cartridges re-bored to take standard primers also make a big difference Quite honestly I am going through a tough financial period and £5.00 a box is limiting my shooting and it looks like all clay cartridges will soon be above that number soon If it can be done please say how How come you can't find clay cartridges cheaper than £5 a box. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lksopener Posted March 18, 2018 Report Share Posted March 18, 2018 31 minutes ago, motty said: I understand your point about steel wad cost, but 10 grams of steel will have more pellets than 14 grams of lead of the same size. I doubt the op wants the shells for competition. How come you can't find clay cartridges cheaper than £5 a box. Because its for .410 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swan40 Posted March 18, 2018 Report Share Posted March 18, 2018 I know its not a .410 load but If you are ok with steel and still wish to shot 12 bore try game bore 24 gram super steel £161 thousand (£4 a box) a good skeet shell you might be supprised how many top skeet shooters use steel plus its cheaper than loading .410 and you don't have to buy the kit -just a thought. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisAsh Posted March 18, 2018 Author Report Share Posted March 18, 2018 Thanks folk Not for competition as I am a **** shot but enjoy the 410 and 12g,have tried steel in 12g before and happy with it but hard to find locally and JC are £179 plus £15.00 carriage so just under the £5 per box "10 grams of steel will have more pellets than 14 grams of lead of the same size" does the 10 gram of steel take up the same volume of lead in 14 gram Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swan40 Posted March 18, 2018 Report Share Posted March 18, 2018 (edited) 10 grams of steel will take up very roughly the same volume as 14 grams of lead and if the pellets are the same diameter there indeed will be more pellets . However the pellets used in skeet cartridges are not the same size- lead 9 shot is 2mm and steel 9 shot is 2.25mm the idea being to roughly match the pellet count and energy of each pellet I personally have never seen 2mm steel shot offered for sale as i doubt it would retain enough energy to brake a clay except at very shot range however 2.25 steel works very well Dose anybody know if you could get away with using a lead plastic wad with such small shot( 2.25mm )as this would make a huge difference to the cost , if it could be done pressure wise Because the pressurers involved with loading .410 are high anyway i would not want to load steel when lead is available, others may have more experience and a better idea about this I will leave steel .410 loads to them. Edited March 18, 2018 by swan40 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motty Posted March 18, 2018 Report Share Posted March 18, 2018 2 hours ago, lksopener said: Because its for .410 Please read the original post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motty Posted March 18, 2018 Report Share Posted March 18, 2018 In Norfolk, there are several gunshops where you can get cartridges for under £5 a box (1 oz clay cartridges). I also recently bought some 24 gram shells @ £4 per box. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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