wymberley Posted October 9, 2019 Report Share Posted October 9, 2019 My nephew has just been left some guns by his friend. As yet, I know not what the others might be. However, he's sent a photo of this Belgian made 410. Other than "Belgium" he has yet to find any other marks. He's up country so I can't help. Does anyone happen to know where they could be stamped? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted October 9, 2019 Report Share Posted October 9, 2019 If it’s of a certain age, or dependant on its route to this country, it’s quite possible it hasn’t been proofed. I owned an unproved Model 12 for a number of years; it’s not a rare occurrence even nowadays, surprisingly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJsDad Posted October 9, 2019 Report Share Posted October 9, 2019 Normally inside the barrel seating in the case of the action and on the underside of the barrel at the breech end. You are normally looking for a Belgium proof mark on these folding shotguns. Google Belgium proof marks & you will get plenty of illustrations of what to look for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martinj Posted October 9, 2019 Report Share Posted October 9, 2019 2 hours ago, wymberley said: My nephew has just been left some guns by his friend. As yet, I know not what the others might be. However, he's sent a photo of this Belgian made 410. Other than "Belgium" he has yet to find any other marks. He's up country so I can't help. Does anyone happen to know where they could be stamped? It's a lovely little gun and in good condition too, I bought a similar one for my son but it was not black, this is the first black one I have seen. The markings on "ours" are mostly under the barrels - see the arrow. There were a lot of markings, I was able to deduce that it was made in the 50's in Liege, has 65mm chambers, is nitro proofed and lot's more fascinating detail. There was a number 11 stamped in a couple of places and we took this to be the serial number in the absence of anything more convincing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Best Posted October 9, 2019 Report Share Posted October 9, 2019 And if you cannot find the letters PV it is only black powder proved. Many of the very old ones are not nitro. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wisdom Posted October 9, 2019 Report Share Posted October 9, 2019 Looks very similar to my el chimbo side by side .410 proof Mark's on mine are where the arrow shows. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted October 9, 2019 Author Report Share Posted October 9, 2019 Cheers, Guys. That's precisely (photo/arrow) where you would expect them to be so Scully may well have a point. I'll see if the lad can do a close up photo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martinj Posted October 9, 2019 Report Share Posted October 9, 2019 1 hour ago, Scully said: If it’s of a certain age, or dependant on its route to this country, it’s quite possible it hasn’t been proofed. I owned an unproved Model 12 for a number of years; it’s not a rare occurrence even nowadays, surprisingly. Model 12? does that mean that the 11 stamped on mine makes it a model 11? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted October 9, 2019 Report Share Posted October 9, 2019 9 minutes ago, martinj said: Model 12? does that mean that the 11 stamped on mine makes it a model 11? I’m referring to a Winchester Model 12 pump I owned for some time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martinj Posted October 9, 2019 Report Share Posted October 9, 2019 Ah! thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted October 9, 2019 Author Report Share Posted October 9, 2019 Another view. Is it an illusion or does it have some barrels? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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