njc110381 Posted September 25, 2007 Report Share Posted September 25, 2007 I've decided I'm going to start using paper cased shells for all my field shooting from now on. Is there anything I should bear in mind before making this decision, ie cycling in my auto, damp problems etc? They seem to have a varnished finish to them, so I assume a light amount of moisture isn't going to do them any harm? What's the best make? So far I've found Express, Gamebore, Eley and Hull. All available in 30g #6 which is what I like to use. The main two I'm interested in are Eley and Gamebore, as they are my two makers of choice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lurcherboy Posted September 25, 2007 Report Share Posted September 25, 2007 Damp is your enemy. There is, or was, a tool that you could draw the cartridge through if it had absorbed moisture but I haven't seen one other than in auction houses. BTW, well done on you green action LB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldrick Posted September 25, 2007 Report Share Posted September 25, 2007 I use paper case cartridges a lot (still got several thousand to get through). I'd strongly advise that you buy a cartridge extractor to keep in your jacket pocket. It's all too easy to rip the brass head off a damp but spent cartridge, leaving the paper tube inside the chamber. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njc110381 Posted September 25, 2007 Author Report Share Posted September 25, 2007 Would that be a problem in an auto? Could it feed a new round on top of the old case and cause high pressures or is the case hard enough to make it jam? I usually wear a cartridge belt under my jacket anyway, so the cases shouldn't get wet. If they're wet, I'd be wet. If I'm wet, I'm going home Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Hunter Posted September 25, 2007 Report Share Posted September 25, 2007 I would use paper cases if they did not cost mega £££, and if they would cycle in a pump action shotgun. But due to how little carts I use and the type of cartridge I use (high brass heavy loads) plastic is the only effective option. If you want to be green, do use too much ammo, and dont miss when you do shoot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cushat Posted September 26, 2007 Report Share Posted September 26, 2007 Anything to bear in mind? I'd have to say cost! Paper cased cartridges are currently somewhere around £220/1000. Eeek! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandersj89 Posted September 26, 2007 Report Share Posted September 26, 2007 Damp is your enemy. There is, or was, a tool that you could draw the cartridge through if it had absorbed moisture but I haven't seen one other than in auction houses. BTW, well done on you green action LB Like one of these: I have had this one a long time, not used it in many years though. Jerry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emmsy Posted September 26, 2007 Report Share Posted September 26, 2007 i wouldnt bother wasting my energy with getting paper case shells, i had a laff at the british open final at hodnet a year or 2 ago when a bloke was shooting some mary arm paper case shells. over the 75 bird layout he had loads of missfires , jams etc and a lot that had swelled so much they wouldnt go down the tube. what a waste! its the last thing you need while trying to concentrate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferret Master Posted September 26, 2007 Report Share Posted September 26, 2007 i wouldnt bother wasting my energy with getting paper case shells, i had a laff at the british open final at hodnet a year or 2 ago when a bloke was shooting some mary arm paper case shells. over the 75 bird layout he had loads of missfires , jams etc and a lot that had swelled so much they wouldnt go down the tube. what a waste! its the last thing you need while trying to concentrate I believe those particular shells have a plastic wad which almost defeats the ecological point of using a paper case. FM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Baldrick Posted September 26, 2007 Report Share Posted September 26, 2007 The massive batch of paper-cased cartridges I mentioned were sourced from a family member who bought 20,000 of them on the early 1990s, then promptly gave up shooting. They're varnished roll-top Eley Kynoch 30g #6s. They can hardly be described as modern HV cartridges, but they do a good job on pheasants. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mossy835 Posted September 26, 2007 Report Share Posted September 26, 2007 Damp is your enemy. There is, or was, a tool that you could draw the cartridge through if it had absorbed moisture but I haven't seen one other than in auction houses. BTW, well done on you green action LB Like one of these: I have had this one a long time, not used it in many years though. there is one that fits on your finger,i had one but lost it. Jerry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mossy835 Posted September 26, 2007 Report Share Posted September 26, 2007 Damp is your enemy. There is, or was, a tool that you could draw the cartridge through if it had absorbed moisture but I haven't seen one other than in auction houses. BTW, well done on you green action LB Like one of these: Jerry theres one that fits on your finger, i had one but lost it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lurcherboy Posted September 26, 2007 Report Share Posted September 26, 2007 Nope that's not it. The device I am referring to is like a tube that you can draw the damp cartridge through thus allowing it to be put back to it's original size and inserted into the shotgun. LB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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njc110381 Posted September 27, 2007 Author Report Share Posted September 27, 2007 With 1647 posts, is this a wind up?Paper cases? Last word: There's nowt wrong with plastic shells (with fibre wads) AS LONG AS YOU TAKE YOUR BLOODY RUBBISH HOME WITH YOU! So I post a lot, doesn't mean I understand paper cartridges! You've lost me on that one I'm afraid I shoot an auto, and sometimes (not that often, but it bugs me anyway) I lose my cases in the brambles or in the long grass. I use a pink cased eley shell in the field to try and make them stand out for picking up, but I still never find the same number as I've fired even if I search for them straight after the shots are taken. That really upsets me, as I hate leaving litter around the place even if it can't be seen. For the number of shots I take in the field I think I can afford to pay the extra £50/k for them. I probably fire less than that number in a year at the farm so it's not going to break the bank. To me, it's worth that £50 to know that I'm not leaving any long term rubbish in the countryside. I know the head is still left if one is lost, but that's a lot better than the whole case as it will rust away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Ferret Master Posted September 27, 2007 Report Share Posted September 27, 2007 'Thought you'd be here, Ollie! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njc110381 Posted September 27, 2007 Author Report Share Posted September 27, 2007 You think my post count is high? Take a look at FM, that boy is keen I tried a search before I posted, but couldn't find as much as I'd like. I may look at one of those shell catcher thingies, but I'l try the paper cases first. I'll just buy 25 of each make and do some homework on them unless anyone has any experience (good or bad) that they want to tell me about? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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wabbitbosher Posted September 29, 2007 Report Share Posted September 29, 2007 I use paper cased cartridges in my hammergun on shoots i get a few odd looks they have a great SHLOPPPPPP when you drop them in and a Great waxy smell after you fire them ! "NICE" WB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldrick Posted October 6, 2007 Report Share Posted October 6, 2007 NJC and others, I just picked up a copy of the Rottweil cartridges catalogue on a visit to the local gunsmiths. Rottweil's premium cartridge is the paper-cased 'Waidmannsheil Pappe'. However the cartridge looks like a modern art masterpiece, and as it's packed in boxes of 10 rounds, I think it's likely to be seriously pricey. However, I use Rottweil Panther 34g 6s for end-of-season pheasants, and they hit like a locomotive. Maybe the 36g paper-cased Rottweils are worth a look if you have the cash available? http://www.rottweil-munition.de/en/db_arti...sheil_Pappe.php Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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