billm Posted January 5, 2022 Report Share Posted January 5, 2022 Hi guys just got my new .222 and was wondering what ammo I should use in it.billm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshwarrior Posted January 7, 2022 Report Share Posted January 7, 2022 What twist rate is and what are you shooting with it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billm Posted January 10, 2022 Author Report Share Posted January 10, 2022 On 07/01/2022 at 21:02, welshwarrior said: What twist rate is and what are you shooting with it? Sorry I never got back to you I had to go away for a few days. Twist is 1 in 12 foxes mainly roe in Scotland. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshwarrior Posted January 10, 2022 Report Share Posted January 10, 2022 1:12 is the old traditional twist so limited to 50grains or below in lead or short 45s on NLA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billm Posted January 11, 2022 Author Report Share Posted January 11, 2022 On 10/01/2022 at 08:33, welshwarrior said: 1:12 is the old traditional twist so limited to 50grains or below in lead or short 45s on NLA Yes I know, but the more I think about it these new tikkas are one in 14 maybe I got it wrong will have to look in to it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshwarrior Posted January 11, 2022 Report Share Posted January 11, 2022 Have a look 1:14 is not great to allow for NLA ive rebarreled mine at 1:8 and can now shoot 70 grain lead or 50/55 grain copper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billm Posted January 12, 2022 Author Report Share Posted January 12, 2022 On 11/01/2022 at 13:49, welshwarrior said: Have a look 1:14 is not great to allow for NLA ive rebarreled mine at 1:8 and can now shoot 70 grain lead or 50/55 grain copper Yes it's one 14 what can I use in it. And how much to rebarrel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshwarrior Posted January 12, 2022 Report Share Posted January 12, 2022 4 minutes ago, billm said: Yes it's one 14 what can I use in it. And how much to rebarrel. Try a 50 grain flat base to start it should be ok. If not drop to 45s. Rebarreling depends on the barrel (blanks cost between £300 and £3000). Assuming you just want a standard grade barrel hunting barrel about £1000 after proof and some sort of finish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billm Posted January 13, 2022 Author Report Share Posted January 13, 2022 16 hours ago, welshwarrior said: Try a 50 grain flat base to start it should be ok. If not drop to 45s. Rebarreling depends on the barrel (blanks cost between £300 and £3000). Assuming you just want a standard grade barrel hunting barrel about £1000 after proof and some sort of finish. Cheers will try 45 and Olso 50grain first, iam new to senterfire, so intrested in everything you have to tell me,like you say 50 grain flat base, what do you mean by that, and anything else you can tell me. billm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miki Posted January 13, 2022 Report Share Posted January 13, 2022 Billm. You need short bullets in your long twist rifle and long bullets will not stabilise. To get a short bullet the weight is low and the base is flat. The greater the weight the longer the bullet, boat tails are longer than flat. These are popular and suited to the long twist .222Rem SAKO Gamehead link Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshwarrior Posted January 13, 2022 Report Share Posted January 13, 2022 5 hours ago, billm said: Cheers will try 45 and Olso 50grain first, iam new to senterfire, so intrested in everything you have to tell me,like you say 50 grain flat base, what do you mean by that, and anything else you can tell me. billm. Flat bases are like the ones of the left a boat tail is a longer more aerodynamic bullet like those on the right due to you slow twist you need a short bullet to stabilise generally but not always a lighter bullet is shorter and a flat base shape will be shorter than a boat tail bullet. When dealing with Non Lead Ammo NLA the bullets are generally copper which is lighter than lead therefore a the bullet of the same weight a shape will be longer. With your twist in 222 you’d have to go to a lighter bullet to get stability. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6.5x55SE Posted January 13, 2022 Report Share Posted January 13, 2022 1 hour ago, welshwarrior said: Flat bases are like the ones of the left a boat tail is a longer more aerodynamic bullet like those on the right due to you slow twist you need a short bullet to stabilise generally but not always a lighter bullet is shorter and a flat base shape will be shorter than a boat tail bullet. When dealing with Non Lead Ammo NLA the bullets are generally copper which is lighter than lead therefore a the bullet of the same weight a shape will be longer. With your twist in 222 you’d have to go to a lighter bullet to get stability. Not strictly true. As most .222 are 1-14 twist and will ( i know as i reload and use a cz527 .222) stabilise 40gr to 60gr lead projectiles 50-52 gr reputed to be optimum weights . Copper/Brass as you stated are different BUT Neilson Sonic ( one example ) 50gr slow twist shoot superb . Fox also shoot ok Barnes 50gr ttsx if you pull the polymer tip these also shoot accurate penetrate and expand. My advice speak to Ed at Edinburgh Sporting Rifles and Goods who uses a .222 to good effect in Scotland 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Best Posted January 14, 2022 Report Share Posted January 14, 2022 (edited) I reloaded thousands of .222 Rem. for a friend. The rifle was a Sako. I have no idea what twist was I the barrel, but it certainly stabilised 55 grain Speer flat base bullets perfectly. edit: I used 20 grains of Reloder 7. Edited January 14, 2022 by London Best Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted January 14, 2022 Report Share Posted January 14, 2022 (edited) If you're going to reload and you're not continually trotting up norf and can therefore have a dedicated fox round, you could try Hornady 50g SPSX. These stabilise at 2690 in my 26" 1 in 14 22 Hornet barrel so no problem. Don't think I'd advise for roe though. Edited January 14, 2022 by wymberley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billm Posted January 17, 2022 Author Report Share Posted January 17, 2022 On 14/01/2022 at 12:35, wymberley said: If you're going to reload and you're not continually trotting up norf and can therefore have a dedicated fox round, you could try Hornady 50g SPSX. These stabilise at 2690 in my 26" 1 in 14 22 Hornet barrel so no problem. Don't think I'd advise for roe though. Will give them a try see how they go. On 14/01/2022 at 11:44, London Best said: I reloaded thousands of .222 Rem. for a friend. The rifle was a Sako. I have no idea what twist was I the barrel, but it certainly stabilised 55 grain Speer flat base bullets perfectly. edit: I used 20 grains of Reloder 7. Nice to know Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billm Posted January 17, 2022 Author Report Share Posted January 17, 2022 On 13/01/2022 at 19:47, 6.5x55SE said: Not strictly true. As most .222 are 1-14 twist and will ( i know as i reload and use a cz527 .222) stabilise 40gr to 60gr lead projectiles 50-52 gr reputed to be optimum weights . Copper/Brass as you stated are different BUT Neilson Sonic ( one example ) 50gr slow twist shoot superb . Fox also shoot ok Barnes 50gr ttsx if you pull the polymer tip these also shoot accurate penetrate and expand. My advice speak to Ed at Edinburgh Sporting Rifles and Goods who uses a .222 to good effect in Scotland 👍 Thanks, thats a lot to think about, I will certainly have a talk with Ed see what he has to say. On 13/01/2022 at 13:27, miki said: Billm. You need short bullets in your long twist rifle and long bullets will not stabilise. To get a short bullet the weight is low and the base is flat. The greater the weight the longer the bullet, boat tails are longer than flat. These are popular and suited to the long twist .222Rem SAKO Gamehead link OK thanks for advice, the like was good one thank you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshwarrior Posted January 17, 2022 Report Share Posted January 17, 2022 I’ve had really good results in all 222 rifles with Hornady .224 50grain SST bullets I now favour RS40 powder regardless of twist or barrel length. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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