BrowningDJC Posted July 16, 2023 Report Share Posted July 16, 2023 (edited) Had a look at a 525 in 16 bore, dealer said it was a 20 bore action with 16 bore barrels and it did have that appearance. Are the older citori white Lightning’s the same? Or built on a dedicated action? Edited July 16, 2023 by BrowningDJC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Boggy Posted July 17, 2023 Report Share Posted July 17, 2023 On 16/07/2023 at 20:05, BrowningDJC said: Had a look at a 525 in 16 bore, dealer said it was a 20 bore action with 16 bore barrels and it did have that appearance. Are the older citori white Lightning’s the same? Or built on a dedicated action? May I ask what weight it was? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunman Posted July 18, 2023 Report Share Posted July 18, 2023 Having looked at the possibilities of building 16 bore barrels for B25's the small bore action and mono block was to small .I can only assume as they are all based on the same basic design , that Miroku would not make a specific action for such a small demand gun world wide . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fellside Posted July 18, 2023 Report Share Posted July 18, 2023 10 hours ago, Old Boggy said: May I ask what weight it was? Having also considered one of these - I found them to weigh typically about 7lb 4oz with 30” tubes. Too heavy for me, as it was going to be a dedicated walked up gun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Boggy Posted July 18, 2023 Report Share Posted July 18, 2023 6 minutes ago, Fellside said: Having also considered one of these - I found them to weigh typically about 7lb 4oz with 30” tubes. Too heavy for me, as it was going to be a dedicated walked up gun. I agree, 7lbs + for a 16 bore defeats the object. Should be around a pound less i.e, 6 to 6lbs 4oz. The Lincoln (FAIR) range are the only ones that I know of being made on a dedicated 16 bore action, but I`m sure there must be others. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enfieldspares Posted July 18, 2023 Report Share Posted July 18, 2023 (edited) 56 minutes ago, Fellside said: Having also considered one of these - I found them to weigh typically about 7lb 4oz with 30” tubes. Too heavy for me, as it was going to be a dedicated walked up gun. In that case, Sir, I think that Beretta (?) made a lightweight aluminium action 12 bore over and under? The Beretta Ultralight. Hope it helps! Or the currently made Ultraleggero. https://www.gunmart.net/gun-reviews/shotguns/over-and-under-shotgun/beretta-ultra-light-classic Edited July 18, 2023 by enfieldspares Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fellside Posted July 18, 2023 Report Share Posted July 18, 2023 6 hours ago, enfieldspares said: In that case, Sir, I think that Beretta (?) made a lightweight aluminium action 12 bore over and under? The Beretta Ultralight. Hope it helps! Or the currently made Ultraleggero. https://www.gunmart.net/gun-reviews/shotguns/over-and-under-shotgun/beretta-ultra-light-classic Yes that’s certainly a good solution 👍. Last season I covers miles with my standard 12 bore and it seemed to weigh twice as much by the end of a day…. 🙂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enfieldspares Posted July 18, 2023 Report Share Posted July 18, 2023 27 minutes ago, Fellside said: Yes that’s certainly a good solution 👍. Last season I covers miles with my standard 12 bore and it seemed to weigh twice as much by the end of a day…. 🙂 Yes. I went squirrel shooting last season but one with my usual 12 bore side by side that weighs 6lbs 14ozs and even that felt too damned heavy by the end of it climbing up and down cuttings and embankments and the sides of a river valley I'd ask why is a 20 bore not under consideration? With today's now standard 70mm cartridges it gives a full one ounce payload. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fellside Posted July 18, 2023 Report Share Posted July 18, 2023 1 minute ago, enfieldspares said: Yes. I went squirrel shooting last season but one with my usual 12 bore side by side that weighs 6lbs 14ozs and even that felt too damned heavy by the end of it climbing up and down cuttings and embankments and the sides of a river valley I'd ask why is a 20 bore not under consideration? With today's now standard 70mm cartridges it gives a full one ounce payload. Haven’t ruled out a 20 yet….. or even a 28…..?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enfieldspares Posted July 18, 2023 Report Share Posted July 18, 2023 I'd dismiss the 28 as it is IMHO in modern made guns too near a 20 bore. Heck I've even seen modern made .410 guns that weight 6lbs 4ozs and wonder quite what's that all about! I think the 28 is a better .410 than is the .410 but that a modern 20 bore is a better 28 bore than is a 28 bore. Which is a roundabout way if saying that modern guns in 28 bore weigh so near to modern lightweight guns in 20 bore that you might as well get the 20 bore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
button Posted July 18, 2023 Report Share Posted July 18, 2023 1 hour ago, enfieldspares said: I'd dismiss the 28 as it is IMHO in modern made guns too near a 20 bore. Heck I've even seen modern made .410 guns that weight 6lbs 4ozs and wonder quite what's that all about! I think the 28 is a better .410 than is the .410 but that a modern 20 bore is a better 28 bore than is a 28 bore. Which is a roundabout way if saying that modern guns in 28 bore weigh so near to modern lightweight guns in 20 bore that you might as well get the 20 bore. Or heavier if on a 20 frame with the thicker barrel walls Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enfieldspares Posted July 18, 2023 Report Share Posted July 18, 2023 1 hour ago, button said: Or heavier if on a 20 frame with the thicker barrel walls +1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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