TIGHTCHOKE Posted November 16, 2023 Report Share Posted November 16, 2023 18 minutes ago, Lloyd90 said: Sorry but I think that’s a very naive way of looking at it. The legislation provides you protection that avoid issues arising in the first place. Public bodies are very clear that they have to abide by the legislation.It impacts the decisions of public bodies on a daily basis (I personally see this) and if any rogue worker goes outside of those rules you then have the option or going to court but the fact you don’t need to isn’t a negative. It usually means they are complaint with the legislation. I often feel people in this country don’t realise how lucky they are to be born or live here and have such protections. Rwanda being a hot topic, wasn’t that long ago that a group of people there who criticised the Government were abducted and executed. We see similar in Eastern Europe / Russia. We see similar in China and some Asian counties etc. Even having a system where it’s a possibility to take the Government to court and challenge a decision is amazing and unthinkable in many Countries around the world. Personally I think it’s something to be proud of, to have such privilege and freedom. That must be the reason so many want to come here illegally. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted November 16, 2023 Report Share Posted November 16, 2023 18 hours ago, Lloyd90 said: We can change or enact new laws, but they can’t actively go against other laws I don’t believe. As in you couldn’t pass a law to say it’s ok to torture people or invade everyone’s privacy etc. Its a good job places like Gitmo didnt exist , or government phone tapping, pain restraint techniques ..... 2 hours ago, Lloyd90 said: Rwanda being a hot topic, wasn’t that long ago that a group of people there who criticised the Government were abducted and executed. Is it legal for the government to abduct and execute you in Rwanda ? Im only asking as, didnt they like kill half the population with machetes 30 years ago ? Maybe the thought of being sent to such a savage country might make them think twice about jumping in that dinghy, and you know, maybe claiming asylum in France or some other less savage country ? Just in case.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted November 16, 2023 Report Share Posted November 16, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, Lloyd90 said: Sorry but I think that’s a very naive way of looking at it. The legislation provides you protection that avoid issues arising in the first place. Public bodies are very clear that they have to abide by the legislation. It impacts the decisions of public bodies on a daily basis (I personally see this) and if any rogue worker goes outside of those rules you then have the option or going to court but the fact you don’t need to isn’t a negative. It usually means they are complaint with the legislation. I often feel people in this country don’t realise how lucky they are to be born or live here and have such protections. Rwanda being a hot topic, wasn’t that long ago that a group of people there who criticised the Government were abducted and executed. We see similar in Eastern Europe / Russia. We see similar in China and some Asian counties etc. Even having a system where it’s a possibility to take the Government to court and challenge a decision is amazing and unthinkable in many Countries around the world. Personally I think it’s something to be proud of, to have such privilege and freedom. I actually think that's a very naive opinion, I see breaches of the human rights act regularly and companys and public authorities know the average person is never going to get a case to court and therefore pay parts of it little thought. The more serious parts of the act like prohibition of torture were already illegal under British laws anyway. The people who do benefit from it however are often serious criminals, including pedophiles, murders, rapists and illegal immigrants. Getting rid of the hra is not a binary choice of loosing protections or not, as it could be replaced by anything we choose. As for your claim we need the hra for its ability to take the government to court, that is irrelevant, it is a cornerstone of the UK that government and application of the rule of law is completely separate and one of the reasons the UK legal system is the envy of the world. You can challenge the UK government through our own domestic court system all the way up to the supreme court, without any need of the European court system. Edited November 16, 2023 by 12gauge82 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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