holloway Posted April 30 Report Share Posted April 30 1 hour ago, Konor said: Your honesty in reply is refreshing Holloway and appreciated 👍The only offence I have taken is when I am accused of not getting it and the reasoning behind my disagreement is simply a lack of understanding rather than a disagreement with policy. “Once you understand you will agree with us too.”I find it a bit Orwellian in nature. I do get it I just don’t agree with it simply because if there has been no change in the evidence to support a ban then any such ban proposed now ,I think is probably politically driven . Where people once thought there was no justification now there is ,but the science hasn’t changed just the perspective and I feel that perspective has been manipulated. Why ? Because of the bureaucracy obsessed western world that we now inhabit. Where once there were industries and factories now we have bureaucrats and an endless stream of people employed to oversee that bureaucracy. I own a newly steel proofed Teague choked Miroku, a Beretta xtrema,a 10 bore , AYA number 3 magnum and a Winchester Parker 3 inch magnum and with the level of shooting I do with my Damascus barrelled gun I could easily feed it bismuth to continue using it so I am prepared for any change. But not all people on a limited income are or will have guns passed down to them that are suitable for steel so there will be a culling of lower working class people into shooting and shooting will become a sport pushed more towards the middle classes ,numbers are lost and we become more susceptible to those who would have our sport curtailed even more. The bottom line is that with any further legislation there is a likelihood that people like me who took up the sport accompanying their father as a youngster will be less likely to have that opportunity and I don’t believe that is fair when limited evidence exists to support the ban that would cause it. 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbrowning2 Posted April 30 Report Share Posted April 30 With the current situation in the world even if a total lead ban is the HSE recommendation then we will need a very long, many years transition period given the lack of availability of components. Then we will as I understand it be totally dependent on China for steel shot not a very comfortable state of play. We are also in an election year so who knows what the next government impact on shooting will be. Worry latter, just get out and enjoy your shooting is my conclusion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted April 30 Report Share Posted April 30 6 minutes ago, rbrowning2 said: With the current situation in the world even if a total lead ban is the HSE recommendation then we will need a very long, many years transition period given the lack of availability of components. Then we will as I understand it be totally dependent on China for steel shot not a very comfortable state of play. We are also in an election year so who knows what the next government impact on shooting will be. Worry latter, just get out and enjoy your shooting is my conclusion. I am sure you are correct, but I don't feel that either BASC or the HSE are worried about the logistics of replacing lead in our cartridges. It has all been done and dusted far too quickly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbrowning2 Posted April 30 Report Share Posted April 30 25 minutes ago, TIGHTCHOKE said: I am sure you are correct, but I don't feel that either BASC or the HSE are worried about the logistics of replacing lead in our cartridges. It has all been done and dusted far too quickly Indeed, hence enjoy what you can why you can. No ban on lead will stop the anti shooting for fun agenda. https://wildjustice.org.uk/general/gwct-caught-up-in-unlawful-licensing-by-defra/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted April 30 Report Share Posted April 30 2 hours ago, rbrowning2 said: Then we will as I understand it be totally dependent on China for steel shot not a very comfortable state of play Lithium for batteries, solar panels, gotta save the planet though ? 2 hours ago, TIGHTCHOKE said: but I don't feel that either BASC or the HSE are worried about the logistics of replacing lead in our cartridges. Both true, but as said , the only people who care about ammunition availability are those that shoot to a budget. Those who spend £5000+ a day for game shooting , aren't bothered about £500 worth of cartridges. Welcome to the future of shooting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clangerman Posted April 30 Report Share Posted April 30 1 hour ago, Rewulf said: Those who spend £5000+ a day for game shooting , aren't bothered about £500 worth of cartridges. Welcome to the future of shooting they will be bothered when grass root boys chuck them under the bus nobody supports something if they can no longer afford to do it their self cost of the 20b leaves a nasty taste now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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