News tonight. Head of MI5 warning.

[welsh1]

47 minutes ago, oowee said:

Far right far left just depends where you stand. No evidence of funding to his pocket if that is what you mean by bank rolling. His message on refugees and Ukraine (war started by the west) is certainly amplified (sponsored) by Russia RT and X. 

There is also the close connections to Trump, on the same message, promoted by Russia. Farage on the Carlson show amplified by Russia. Farage supporting Orban (clearly on the payroll) at the National Conservative conference. All three touch points playing of the Russian playbook. Farage, Orban, Trump are all tools in the Russian propaganda exercise.

So no proof whatsoever that farage is linked to russia, but i suppose if you say it enough, that seems to be the plan these days.
Strange isn't it that farage is one of the few politicians to listen to the people, get himself elected to the EU on a promise of trying to get us out and that he would not co-operate with the eu, and finally seeing a uk government so scared of him they held a referendum where the majority of the people who voted were able to finally stick their fingers up at the out of touch politicians and vote to leave the eu.

Farage is not a russian aide but you want to blacken him and smear him and it's an easy trope for those that don't like him for helping us leave the eu.

[BRYAN3]

Oowee is right.    Russia burned my toast this morning.

[oowee]

22 minutes ago, welsh1 said:

So no proof whatsoever that farage is linked to russia, but i suppose if you say it enough, that seems to be the plan these days.
Strange isn't it that farage is one of the few politicians to listen to the people, get himself elected to the EU on a promise of trying to get us out and that he would not co-operate with the eu, and finally seeing a uk government so scared of him they held a referendum where the majority of the people who voted were able to finally stick their fingers up at the out of touch politicians and vote to leave the eu.

Farage is not a russian aide but you want to blacken him and smear him and it's an easy trope for those that don't like him for helping us leave the eu.

I never said Farage was or is a Russian aide. Farage's message is supported and amplified by Russia. Russia wants to break up the unity of the West together with the institutions that sustain it. The EU, NATO, ECHR, etc. Those that support this fragmentation (Farage, Trump Orban, Fico etc) will have their message amplified by Russia as it supports their ideals.  It's simple.

The UK has set up the CDU and the RRU to counter disinformation. 

 

[welsh1]

3 minutes ago, oowee said:

I never said Farage was or is a Russian aide. Farage's message is supported and amplified by Russia. Russia wants to break up the unity of the West together with the institutions that sustain it. The EU, NATO, ECHR, etc. Those that support this fragmentation (Farage, Trump Orban, Fico etc) will have their message amplified by Russia as it supports their ideals.  It's simple.

The UK has set up the CDU and the RRU to counter disinformation. 

 

 

 

See you say trump wants to fragment NATO  etc but he doesn't, all he wants is for the members to pay their fair share, why should the usa dig deeper into their pockets for the failings of it's members?

As for the ECHR, it is past it's time and needs a dramatic overhaul, or we should leave, are we not capable of implementing our own laws?

You simply want some bogey men and trump and farage fit your bill, but probably the biggest threat to the stability of this country is the labour party, there are many many supporters of russia within, go look at momentum.

[Rewulf]

43 minutes ago, welsh1 said:

So no proof whatsoever that farage (or Trump) is linked to russia, but i suppose if you say it enough, that seems to be the plan these days.

Exactly, the talking heads who parrot this nonsense are merely trying to detract from their own failings and lack of integrity.

 

2 minutes ago, welsh1 said:

You simply want some bogey men and trump and farage fit your bill, but probably the biggest threat to the stability of this country is the labour party,

 

14 minutes ago, oowee said:

I never said Farage was or is a Russian aide. Farage's message is supported and amplified by Russia. Russia wants to break up the unity of the West together with the institutions that sustain it. The EU, NATO, ECHR, etc. Those that support this fragmentation (Farage, Trump Orban, Fico etc) will have their message amplified by Russia as it supports their ideals.  It's simple.

You keep saying the message is 'amplified' but how so ?
You talk about trolls and bots, where are they, and how are they brainwashing us into seeing these 'non existent' things you speak of ?
I just need to open my door and see whats happening in this country.

The far right as you call it, isnt a product of Russian interference, its a reaction to globalist plans that are designed to cause division.
The rise of genuine right wing political parties across Europe isnt because some subliminal message, circulated by Russians, MAKES us vote for them, its because we are dissatisfied with the direction mainstream political parties are taking us.
The tories promised to drastically decrease immigration, they actually doubled it, and said there was NOTHING they could do about it, thats why parties here and across Europe vote for more radical right wing parties, not because a 'bot' on Tik Tok told them to.

[armsid]

Russia already controls the EU thanks to Merkel closing the German nuclear power stations and relying on Russian gas to generate power there and in the rest of Europe

[oowee]

4 hours ago, welsh1 said:

See you say trump wants to fragment NATO  etc but he doesn't, all he wants is for the members to pay their fair share, why should the usa dig deeper into their pockets for the failings of it's members?

As for the ECHR, it is past it's time and needs a dramatic overhaul, or we should leave, are we not capable of implementing our own laws?

You simply want some bogey men and trump and farage fit your bill, but probably the biggest threat to the stability of this country is the labour party, there are many many supporters of russia within, go look at momentum.

Listen to the words that come out of his mouth.

The ECHR is our own laws it is there to protect the UK from it's own government. It is our safeguard. Momentum was all about communist ideologies last time i looked why would they have any support for a fascist state like Russia?

4 hours ago, Rewulf said:

Exactly, the talking heads who parrot this nonsense are merely trying to detract from their own failings and lack of integrity.

 

 

You keep saying the message is 'amplified' but how so ?
You talk about trolls and bots, where are they, and how are they brainwashing us into seeing these 'non existent' things you speak of ?
I just need to open my door and see whats happening in this country.

The far right as you call it, isnt a product of Russian interference, its a reaction to globalist plans that are designed to cause division.
The rise of genuine right wing political parties across Europe isnt because some subliminal message, circulated by Russians, MAKES us vote for them, its because we are dissatisfied with the direction mainstream political parties are taking us.
The tories promised to drastically decrease immigration, they actually doubled it, and said there was NOTHING they could do about it, thats why parties here and across Europe vote for more radical right wing parties, not because a 'bot' on Tik Tok told them to.

Take a look at the work of the CDU if you don't understand the amplification idea. 

Here is a snippet. 

Through the COVID-19 pandemic, this has seen the CDU counter disinformation threats that have suggested bleach is an effective way to cure COVID-19 and that 5G masts should be burned down to prevent the spread of the virus. It is currently focused on disinformation related to Russia’s illegal invasion of Ukraine, and has already countered Russian disinformation about Ukraine including denials of mass casualty events – including the Bucha massacre and the bombing of the maternity hospital in Mariupol.

[Rewulf]

14 hours ago, oowee said:

Take a look at the work of the CDU if you don't understand the amplification idea. 

You mean this group of numpties ? https://www.globalgovernmentforum.com/uk-minister-defends-governments-rebranded-counter-disinformation-unit/

14 hours ago, oowee said:

Through the COVID-19 pandemic, this has seen the CDU counter disinformation threats that have suggested bleach is an effective way to cure COVID-19 and that 5G masts should be burned down to prevent the spread of the virus.

Did it counter the disinformation put out by the WHO and echoed by many governments that covid came from bats and/or pangolins, plus a wet market, and DEFINITELY didnt come from a certain Wuhan virology lab ?
Acting as the governments own 'fact checker' comes with certain responsibilities, one of them being the release of verifiable FACTUAL information.

Did it counter the assertion that covid vaccines were 'safe and reliable' or that certain vaccines were 95 % effective at stopping the virus ?
It doesnt take a genius to figure out bleach, and burning down 5G towers were not effective at stopping covid 😆

14 hours ago, oowee said:

It is currently focused on disinformation related to Russia’s illegal invasion of Ukraine, and has already countered Russian disinformation about Ukraine including denials of mass casualty events – including the Bucha massacre and the bombing of the maternity hospital in Mariupol.

Does it focus on UKR ministry disinformation too, which is often parroted by our own mainstream media ?
Of course it doesnt, selective propaganda for the masses that would make goebels proud.

[Vince Green]

19 hours ago, welsh1 said:

See you say trump wants to fragment NATO  etc but he doesn't, all he wants is for the members to pay their fair share, why should the usa dig deeper into their pockets for the failings of it's members?

As for the ECHR, it is past it's time and needs a dramatic overhaul, or we should leave, are we not capable of implementing our own laws?

You simply want some bogey men and trump and farage fit your bill, but probably the biggest threat to the stability of this country is the labour party, there are many many supporters of russia within, go look at momentum.

I should imagine there are a lot of countries in NATO that are nothing like as laid back about paying their fair share since Russia invaded Ukraine 

As for the ECHR it's not just past its useful life. It never had a useful purpose in the beginning.  Its the classic example of woke for woke sake. It provides a good living for probably thousands of pointless pen pushers but unless you are one of those pointless pen pushers I can't see it's point.

 

[Mungler]

21 hours ago, Raja Clavata said:

Currently reading a national populism book co-authored by Matt Goodwin, he asserts two right wing “labels” - radical right and extreme right. I don’t know if it helps the discussions here but it helped me avoid lumping everyone on the right in the far right bucket…

Matt Goodwin? Good lad, we'll make a proper right winger out of you yet.

[Mungler]

19 hours ago, welsh1 said:

You simply want some bogey men and trump and farage fit your bill, but probably the biggest threat to the stability of this country is the labour party, there are many many supporters of russia within, go look at momentum.

 

Blimey, where to start? Corbyn with his friends in Hezbollah or wanting to send the Novichok evidence to Russia for them to check.

If anyone thinks Momentum or Socialist Worker have gone away, well, the proliferation of placards on the "free Gaza" marches are a teensy bit of an indication. Google "socialist worker Gaza banner" or "revolutionary communist party Gaza" and you'll get the gist.

[Vince Green]

1 hour ago, Mungler said:

 

Blimey, where to start? Corbyn with his friends in Hezbollah or wanting to send the Novichok evidence to Russia for them to check.

If anyone thinks Momentum or Socialist Worker have gone away, well, the proliferation of placards on the "free Gaza" marches are a teensy bit of an indication. Google "socialist worker Gaza banner" or "revolutionary communist party Gaza" and you'll get the gist.

The authorities have known about SWP, WRP and RCP and their various subsidiary organisations like CND and Just Stop Oil since way back but have never seemed to call them to account.