Terrorist attack - Germany.

[Newbie to this]

Just now, Goly said:

Ok, so you're suggesting we ignore all treaties and risk alienating us with those that adhere to them?

Absolutely, if it is in the UK's interest to do so.

[Goly]

2 minutes ago, 12gauge82 said:

No I'm not, what I'm implying is every boat that arrives here has come from France, unless your suggesting they've paddled all the way from Afghanistan or something. That being the case, they've come from France, a perfectly safe country, so how can they be a refugee, what war or persecution are they fleeing in France? 

Or could it be many are illegal immigrants, economic migrants who simply want a better standard of living? 

I just find it odd you've joined PW and have only posted on this topic? 

You tell me, perhaps family, language ties, job potentials? If given the choice wouldn't you want to have your cake and eat it? There's no obligation to stay at the first safe country you land at?

Thanks for your concern, in good time I will post in other topics.

 

2 minutes ago, Newbie to this said:

Absolutely, if it is in the UK's interest to do so.

And how do you know it's in the UK's best interests to disregard international laws and treaties? You don't know how costly the implications would be?

[Newbie to this]

5 minutes ago, Goly said:

There's no obligation to stay at the first safe country you land at?

There is no obligation for any country to take asylum seekers. Countries choose to out of kindness and empathy. That kindness and empathy is being abused.

5 minutes ago, Goly said:

And how do you know it's in the UK's best interests to disregard international laws and treaties? You don't know how costly the implications would be?

Right back at you

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

No one who enter the UK illegally, should ever be allowed to stay. They should be arested and detained until deportation occurs.

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[12gauge82]

6 minutes ago, Goly said:

You tell me, perhaps family, language ties, job potentials? If given the choice wouldn't you want to have your cake and eat it? There's no obligation to stay at the first safe country you land at?

Thanks for your concern, in good time I will post in other topics.

 

 

Okay I will tell you. If a potential immigrant wants to come here for family, language, or Jobs. There is a system to apply, either a visa to work, visit or they can apply for permanent residence.

No genuine refugee just turns up in the UK as their first stop due to our geographic location. The fact you won't acknowledge the obvious only discredits any argument you may have.

To put it bluntly, it comes across as dishonest and silly. 

[Goly]

7 minutes ago, Newbie to this said:

There is no obligation for any country to take asylum seekers. Countries choose to out of kindness and empathy. That kindness and empathy is being abused.

Right back at you

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

No one who enter the UK illegally, should ever be allowed to stay. They should be arested and detained until deportation occurs.

Absolute rubbish, I'm sure you wouldn't be saying the same if the French, German, Swedish were doing the crossings. Those laws and treaties would help protect you if the UK was under threat.

[12gauge82]

Just now, Goly said:

Absolute rubbish, I'm sure you wouldn't be saying the same if the French, German, Swedish were doing the crossings. Those laws and treaties would help protect you if the UK was under threat.

Last time I checked the French, German and Swedish were not in a current war, not dictatorships and are free countries, I can't see any flock of individuals needing to flee any of those countries. Your arguments are ridiculous!

I fact if any of those countries were attempting to claim Asylum here, I absolutely would be saying it because those countries are not countries a genuine refugee would need to flee. 

Your making my point for me

[Newbie to this]

9 minutes ago, Goly said:

Absolute rubbish, I'm sure you wouldn't be saying the same if the French, German, Swedish were doing the crossings. Those laws and treaties would help protect you if the UK was under threat.

How so? Is it not true that we choose to accept asylum seekers and other countries do not 🤔🤔🤔

I would be saying exactly the same if the French, Germans or Swedish were doing the crossings. Illegal immigration, is illegal immigration...

 

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[Goly]

4 minutes ago, 12gauge82 said:

Last time I checked the French, German and Swedish were not in a current war, not dictatorships and are free countries, I can't see any flock of individuals needing to flee any of those countries. Your arguments are ridiculous!

I fact if any of those countries were attempting to claim Asylum here, I absolutely would be saying it because those countries are not countries a genuine refugee would need to flee. 

Your making my point for me

Again, you do realise those same laws and treaties could potentially help you in the future, just as it could any nation, and no **** they aren't in a current war. Bit you must be foolish to state that this could never potentially happen in future.

3 minutes ago, Newbie to this said:

How so? Is it not true that we choose to accept asylum seekers and other countries do not 🤔🤔🤔

I woild be saying exactly the same if the French, Germans or Swedish were doing the crossings.

 

What countries choose to not? 

[Newbie to this]

2 minutes ago, Goly said:

Again, you do realise those same laws and treaties could potentially help you in the future, just as it could any nation, and no **** they aren't in a current war. Bit you must be foolish to state that this could never potentially happen in future.

What countries choose to not? 

Have a google, I'm sure you are capable of using the internet.

[Goly]

3 minutes ago, Newbie to this said:

Have a google, I'm sure you are capable of using the internet.

You made the claim, why don't you tell me.

[Newbie to this]

Just now, Goly said:

You made the claim, why don't you tell me.

Start with the ongoing conflict in the middle east.

[Goly]

Just now, Newbie to this said:

Start with the ongoing conflict in the middle east.

Stop being cryptic ***. 

[12gauge82]

2 minutes ago, Goly said:

Again, you do realise those same laws and treaties could potentially help you in the future, just as it could any nation, and no **** they aren't in a current war. Bit you must be foolish to state that this could never potentially happen in future.

 

And if they ever were at war, there'd be a genuine reason, unlike the boats arriving from France now. 

In fact, I've always fancied living in Australia, I've got family out there and I speak the language. I'm going to turn up there and using your logic and supirior knowledge of the law, I will tell them I'm fleeing persecution in the UK, I have family ties and speak English, therefore I want to claim refugee status and claim benefits. Once they've stopped laughing, I'm sure it'll be fine, I'll tell them Goly said international law trumps Australian law and using the reasons Goly said they must grant me asylum. 

I sure it's going to go great, fairwell Pigeon Watch, I'll let you all know how it goes, I'm really looking forwards to the free hotel all inclusive in Sydney 👌

[Newbie to this]

2 minutes ago, Goly said:

Stop being cryptic ***. 

Here you go ***

[Scully]

Five dead and over two hundred injured now, according to C4 news. 
It would be tragically ironic if amongst those he killed and injured, some were of the same ethnicity and faith he is. 
Thats the thing about a Stone Age mentality, blinkered to all outside influences. 

[Goly]

1 minute ago, 12gauge82 said:

And if they ever were at war, there'd be a genuine reason, unlike the boats arriving from France now. 

In fact, I've always fancied living in Australia, I've got family out there and I speak the language. I'm going to turn up there and using your logic and supirior knowledge of the law, I will tell them I'm fleeing persecution in the UK, I have family ties and speak English, therefore I want to claim refugee status and claim benefits. Once they've stopped laughing, I'm sure it'll be fine, I'll tell them Goly said international law trumps Australian law and using the reasons Goly said they must grant me asylum. 

I sure it's going to go great, fairwell Pigeon Watch, I'll let you all know how it goes, I'm really looking forwards to the free hotel all inclusive in Sydney 👌

Ok, let's make it simple for you. There's a process which decides wether claimants are genuine, are you implying that we are allowing in asylum seekers and that we have no process? If that's the case then why do we have a massive backlog? Those that are granted refugee status are deemed to be legitimate, I hope this helps.

[12gauge82]

1 minute ago, Scully said:

Five dead and over two hundred injured now, according to C4 news. 
It would be tragically ironic if amongst those he killed and injured, some were of the same ethnicity and faith he is. 
Thats the thing about a Stone Age mentality, blinkered to all outside influences. 

Very well put Scully. I'm sure any right minded person would think the same. 

[Goly]

1 minute ago, Newbie to this said:

Here you go ***

So none that you know of then?

[12gauge82]

1 minute ago, Goly said:

Ok, let's make it simple for you. There's a process which decides wether claimants are genuine, are you implying that we are allowing in asylum seekers and that we have no process? If that's the case then why do we have a massive backlog? Those that are granted refugee status are deemed to be legitimate, I hope this helps.

No I'm going to make it simple for you. 

The HRA is out dated and our asylum laws are utterly broken.

Have you managed to get that. 

[Newbie to this]

1 minute ago, Goly said:

So none that you know of then?

So NOT "absolute rubbish" then!

[Goly]

Here is some reading for you both.

https://freemovement.org.uk/are-refugees-obliged-to-claim-asylum-in-the-first-safe-country-they-reach/

[Yellow Bear]

1 hour ago, Goly said:

But there lies the problem, we can't just punish law abiding immigrants for the actions of a few. Unless you suggest an unjust mass deportation plan I don't know exactly what we are meant to do. 

simple answer deport - if they came out of France/ in on a dingy they are not law abiding.

                                       if they overstay their visa they are not law abiding.

Neither of these is unjust if it applies the law not Woke sentiment.

[Newbie to this]

3 minutes ago, Goly said:

Here is some reading for you both.

https://freemovement.org.uk/are-refugees-obliged-to-claim-asylum-in-the-first-safe-country-they-reach/

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[Goly]

2 minutes ago, Yellow Bear said:

simple answer deport - if they came out of France/ in on a dingy they are not law abiding.

                                       if they overstay their visa they are not law abiding.

Neither of these is unjust if it applies the law not Woke sentiment.

See above.

[Newbie to this]

Just now, Goly said:

See above.

Right back at you