Evil Elvis Posted December 31, 2007 Report Share Posted December 31, 2007 All I can say is....BLOODY HELL!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted December 31, 2007 Report Share Posted December 31, 2007 Great film. As I said to you, possibly one of the most violent films I have ever seen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ROBLATCH Posted December 31, 2007 Report Share Posted December 31, 2007 excelent film one of the best but most violent i have seen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markio Posted December 31, 2007 Report Share Posted December 31, 2007 Like Hard Boiled violent or worse? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markbivvy Posted December 31, 2007 Report Share Posted December 31, 2007 http://movies.nabolister.com/links_page.php?movie=5712 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stu_young Posted December 31, 2007 Report Share Posted December 31, 2007 bloody great film got it on dvd in front off me now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lurcherboy Posted December 31, 2007 Report Share Posted December 31, 2007 Pretty realistic if you was into that sort of thing a few years back LB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evil Elvis Posted December 31, 2007 Author Report Share Posted December 31, 2007 Scariest thing is i actually knew a few of the people involved, i shoot on the farm where thay were found, and was on duty when Pat Tate was in linford ward, what they didnt tell you was that someone did a runner with the gun, ran straight thro my ward---Frank Ahrens ward and asked me where the exit was.....hottly persued 10 seconds later by 2 armed policemen!!! Great place essex innit!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagsy Posted December 31, 2007 Report Share Posted December 31, 2007 I used to pick up a guy up for work who lived a few doors from the bungalow of the one who lived in in Basildon (I forget which one, think it was Tate?). Scared the life out of me when I turned the corner one cold dark wet morning to be met by what seemed like half of Essex Police Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
berettaman1 Posted December 31, 2007 Report Share Posted December 31, 2007 BAZZER,! and you want ME to come Down there???...... Hhhm? OH Gord Allmighty!! trying to finish me off with my Third Heart attack?? Well ,whats the world coming to? not bad enough with Mungler and Pin wishing me dead, But Now YOU too Brutus!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagsy Posted December 31, 2007 Report Share Posted December 31, 2007 Ron, it's alright, people only shoot in Basildon during the week - when the banks are open Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
berettaman1 Posted December 31, 2007 Report Share Posted December 31, 2007 Ron, it's alright, people only shoot in Basildon during the week - when the banks are open Oh dont you start young Mark!! **** I had better sell off my gun collection so I can pay for plastic surgery to escape mr Biggs hit squad, ( If I dont make it Mr Big is MUNGLER) Hee Hee Hee, Yes OK youve guessed I am P*****d Up again!1( No change there you are all saying!!) I leave my expensive collection of photos of Mole hills on my lawn to BAGSY, Which should give him a leg up, on the wonder of working for a living!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagsy Posted December 31, 2007 Report Share Posted December 31, 2007 I leave my expensive collection of photos of Mole hills on my lawn to BAGSY, Which should give ghim a leg up, on the wonder of working for a living!!! I'll hold you to that Now go and have a drink, you deserve it, it's New Years eve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
berettaman1 Posted December 31, 2007 Report Share Posted December 31, 2007 Ha Ha Ha! good man, Mark. I knew you would respond to that. All the best to you and your family my mate! and the rest of the mafia!. Good Luck to you all for next year, B,man1. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suffolk shooter Posted December 31, 2007 Report Share Posted December 31, 2007 Have yet to see the film, but as my mate is inside for "Allegedly" carrying out the murder will watch it like the other films and books on the subject. Re-trial coming up in the new year due to some dodgy evidence. SS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagsy Posted December 31, 2007 Report Share Posted December 31, 2007 Nice mate SS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suffolk shooter Posted December 31, 2007 Report Share Posted December 31, 2007 He's actually a really nice bloke which makes it all the more strange. I'd known him and his brother seven years before the event, and by a strange coincidence actually drove past the area of the Lane early that morning on the way to see a mates brother at Westcliff in the good old days before the A130 bypass. Certain things don't add up regarding supposed person placement at the scene of the crime especially Nicholls (AKA supergrass), also having spoken to someone earlier tonight about the film, how the hell they determined that it was a pump action shottie is anyone's guess. Regardless of who or why the "Hit" was carried out, IMHO it couldn't have happened to a nicer trio of blokes. The worlds a better place without them. SS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagsy Posted December 31, 2007 Report Share Posted December 31, 2007 So let's get this straight, you associated with the hitman and his brother, you have placed yourself at the scene around the time of the hits and you wanted the three of 'em dead? At this rate you won't be reading about his retrial, you'll be taking part Anything else you wish to tell us? Coming from Suffolk you seem to know a bit of what goes on in these here parts. Anyone buried under the A130 bypass perhaps Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suffolk shooter Posted December 31, 2007 Report Share Posted December 31, 2007 So let's get this straight, you associated with the hitman and his brother, you have placed yourself at the scene around the time of the hits and you wanted the three of 'em dead? At this rate you won't be reading about his retrial, you'll be taking part Anything else you wish to tell us? Coming from Suffolk you seem to know a bit of what goes on in these here parts. Antone buried under the A130 bypass perhaps I wouldn't call my mate a hitman at all, quite the opposite actually, which is what makes it all seem ludicrous. I know there is such a thing as forensics and DNA, but to not allow the technical evidence from an independant specialist at a trial which clearly placed neither of the so called hitmen anywhere near the scene seems somewhat strange to me As to knowing what goes on down there in Chavsville, it is only because he is a mate of mine that I know perhaps a bit more than the average person who has read the papers. Oh and I don't think there is anyone buried under the A130, but I can think of a few that I would like to be. SS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagsy Posted December 31, 2007 Report Share Posted December 31, 2007 You haven't been working in Kent recently have you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suffolk shooter Posted December 31, 2007 Report Share Posted December 31, 2007 You haven't been working in Kent recently have you Why whats going on in my home county other than that shooting the other night??:lol:?? SS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evil Elvis Posted January 1, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 1, 2008 Ive actually seen the soco pictures(bloody gruesome), my mate was the first soco on the scene, interesting that there are 2 people up for it, he said that there was only one set of footprints coming away from the landrover....which suggests to me that the killer was in the car!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suffolk shooter Posted January 1, 2008 Report Share Posted January 1, 2008 Ive actually seen the soco pictures(bloody gruesome), my mate was the first soco on the scene, interesting that there are 2 people up for it, he said that there was only one set of footprints coming away from the landrover....which suggests to me that the killer was in the car!!! EE, you are spot on there, all the evidence points to one person and one person only carrying out the deed. I'm no expert on Firearms wounds but can somebody explain to me how a shotgun, sawn off or otherwise could be hidden let alone wielded in a range rover quick enough to kill off three people especially considering two were shot in the front seats from behind. Also the entry, exit wounds point to something abit more powerful than a shotgun. If you see the pics, the two in the front look like some of the fox pics on here with distorted faces were the vaccum from the bullet has exiting has caused serious trauma. I am told it was a professional hit done with a 9mm browning handgun and that the hitman was actually a french man. The pics also show the number of shotgun cartridges lying around the vehicle, but considering that it is on Peter Theobolds farm and that he was on his way to feed the pheasants and that also there are a lot of pigeon shot around there, do you not think it coincidence especially as all bar one window is done up (The other being shot out) and yet the cartridges are all around the vehicle. Another factor is that it had been a freezing night and Peter theobold states that he's vehicle was fully iced up when going to start it, and yet the Range rover was completely free of frost or ice. The police pinned time of death at no later than 7pm the night before as none of the guys phones had been used past that point!!!!!!!! and yet time between then and them being found would have meant frost forming on the vehicle. Lot of contridicting evidence, pinned on the word of a known life criminal turning Queens evidence to reduce his own sentence. SS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evil Elvis Posted January 1, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 1, 2008 Im not so sure that the gas from a 9mm would have caused so much devastation even at pb range? But you are right, there are too many anomalies. Would they not have released the fact that it was a 9mm rather than a shotty after the pms? Im sure youve seen the site with the pms? They would have found pellet wounds and i remember seeing the pat tate chest wounds and they were pepperred rather than single entry wounds. As far as getting a shottie in the car, easy, they think they are going to a job or preparing for one, the feloow only has to have 2 small sawnoffs in his bag, bang bang bang....reload.....finish job!!! Nasty way to go. The other thing to mention was the fact that there was actually a layer of snow on the ground as well, so the foot prints were very well defined.My friend said categorically that there was only ever one person came out of the car, there were no tracks to it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starlight32 Posted January 1, 2008 Report Share Posted January 1, 2008 Im not so sure that the gas from a 9mm would have caused so much devastation even at pb range? But you are right, there are too many anomalies. Would they not have released the fact that it was a 9mm rather than a shotty after the pms? Im sure youve seen the site with the pms? They would have found pellet wounds and i remember seeing the pat tate chest wounds and they were pepperred rather than single entry wounds. As far as getting a shottie in the car, easy, they think they are going to a job or preparing for one, the feloow only has to have 2 small sawnoffs in his bag, bang bang bang....reload.....finish job!!! Nasty way to go. The other thing to mention was the fact that there was actually a layer of snow on the ground as well, so the foot prints were very well defined.My friend said categorically that there was only ever one person came out of the car, there were no tracks to it. The wounds evident are off a shotgun no doubt. A pistol round would not show these type of injuries. That is unless a shotgun was used after the initial shooting with a 9mm. No ballistic evidence was released other than those of the police photographs which show the extent of the injuries. Seven cartridge cases were found but no details of their make or load etc. As for the range rover itself it went into new ownership, It was regularly seen around South Essex until 2003. If any of you are interested particularly in this case have a look here. Visit My Website The case has been an interest of mine for years because at the time I was working in Essex close to the crime area, also staying just down the road from one of the victims. I was also working with a guy who knew these people through his door work very well. After the incident a strange veil descended over the whole of the area, and up until the arrest and imprisionment of Steel and Whomes there was still much speculation who actually was responsible. I passed Workhouse lane in Rettendon only last week and took a drive by to see what it looks like now. Its changed alot in the ten or so years since I was last around that neck of the woods. As for the film 'Rise of the foot soldier' I think it is the best UK film to depict that time in that area, far better than 'Essex boys' which merely scratched the surface of the true Essex underworld. Read the books 'Bonded in Blood' & 'Essex boys' and all that you have seen in films will seem a lot clearer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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