petersclan Posted January 26, 2008 Report Share Posted January 26, 2008 hi, i have just read a thread on a miss fire with a shotgun, could have been very fatal. if trigger pulled and cart does not go off what is the procedure to carry out, just thinking that if does not go off and gun is split and cart decides to go off could be not nice i could only guess keeping gun pointing in safe direction and waiting so many minutes before removing cartridge.... when gun split see if firing pin has hit cart what else Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catamong Posted January 26, 2008 Report Share Posted January 26, 2008 Misfires due to faulty cartridges are now very rare, due to improvements in cartridge manufacturing techniques. If you pull the trigger, and you hear it go "click", but the shell doesn't go off, simply open the gun take the offending shell out, put another one in and try again. If you keep getting problems it's more likely to be a duff firing mechanism than duff shells. Don't bother with all of this nonsense about keeping the gun pointed down range for 5 minutes, you'll upset a lot of people at a clay shoot if you play around like that. Methinks the post you were referring to was a bit of a wind up..!! Cat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axeman1984 Posted January 26, 2008 Report Share Posted January 26, 2008 funny this should get brought up i had a missfire today, i pulled the trigger herd it go click and nothing, so i broke the gun and you could see the dent in the cartridge where the pin had hit it, so i just took out the cartridge put in another one, called pull and "BANG" no probs, it was a HULL PRO 1- 7 1/2, it was the first time its has happend tho, only trouble was they seem to have filled all the traps with rubber targets today very strange fenman... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim McArthur Posted January 26, 2008 Report Share Posted January 26, 2008 Misfires due to faulty cartridges are now very rare, due to improvements in cartridge manufacturing techniques. If you pull the trigger, and you hear it go "click", but the shell doesn't go off, simply open the gun take the offending shell out, put another one in and try again. If you keep getting problems it's more likely to be a duff firing mechanism than duff shells. Don't bother with all of this nonsense about keeping the gun pointed down range for 5 minutes, you'll upset a lot of people at a clay shoot if you play around like that. Methinks the post you were referring to was a bit of a wind up..!! Cat. 5 minutes, yes, that's excessive: but 30 seconds is a good idea. Hangfires do occur... Jim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chard Posted January 26, 2008 Report Share Posted January 26, 2008 Misfires due to faulty cartridges are now very rare, due to improvements in cartridge manufacturing techniques. If you pull the trigger, and you hear it go "click", but the shell doesn't go off, simply open the gun take the offending shell out, put another one in and try again. If you keep getting problems it's more likely to be a duff firing mechanism than duff shells. Don't bother with all of this nonsense about keeping the gun pointed down range for 5 minutes, you'll upset a lot of people at a clay shoot if you play around like that. Methinks the post you were referring to was a bit of a wind up..!! Cat. 5 minutes, yes, that's excessive: but 30 seconds is a good idea. Hangfires do occur... Jim Agreed. A mate that I was shooting with at Manchester had a hangfire (with a semi-auto ) He fired, nothing happened. Thankfully, he is an experienced shot and he just stood with his gun pointing safe for about 15-20 seconds and the damned thing went off - scary! I can just picture an inexperienced shot coming out of the cage waving his gun about Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petersclan Posted January 26, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 26, 2008 if it happened to me i would wait a little while and break the gun, if no indent on the cartridge then i would be looking to see if firing pin on gun had snapped but if the cart had indent would suspect dodgy cart Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnGalway Posted January 26, 2008 Report Share Posted January 26, 2008 I'd wait the 30 seconds with muzzle pointing in a safe direction and sod what anyone thought of it Then I'd try to fire it again, if the same happened again I'd wait, then move onto a different cart. I don't know if it'd still go off after the 30 seconds, or indeed if it'd even go off before the 30 seconds were up but I won't be finding out Rest of ye are free to do as ye please, as long as I'm not around Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dustyfox Posted January 26, 2008 Report Share Posted January 26, 2008 right stop trying to scar the noob's to shooting. Anyway what would happen if you opened the breach and the cart fired, would the cart fly off out of the barrel towards the shotgun holder? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taz24 Posted January 26, 2008 Report Share Posted January 26, 2008 What do you do with the failed cart. Would you throw it in the empty carts waste bucket which could prove dangerous for anyone handling them afterwards or do you carry it around and dispose of in a different way. taz. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pin Posted January 26, 2008 Report Share Posted January 26, 2008 I've always just re-fired them and found that worked for me 100% I know others sometimes take a sharp knife to them and cut so that the shot/wad comes out the throw in a fire. In theory throwing them into a fire is ok, they don't "bang" they "fizz" but I couldn't recommend it to anyone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petersclan Posted January 26, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 26, 2008 What do you do with the failed cart.Would you throw it in the empty carts waste bucket which could prove dangerous for anyone handling them afterwards or do you carry it around and dispose of in a different way. taz. good question Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petersclan Posted January 26, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 26, 2008 What do you do with the failed cart.Would you throw it in the empty carts waste bucket which could prove dangerous for anyone handling them afterwards or do you carry it around and dispose of in a different way. taz. good question dont know how it happens here but in army always had a miss fire pit to one side for safety reasons Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big_Sam Posted January 26, 2008 Report Share Posted January 26, 2008 Shotgun safety: Worth a watch the whole way through: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njc110381 Posted January 27, 2008 Report Share Posted January 27, 2008 I'd wait 30 seconds before opening the gun in case of a hang fire (if anyone has a problem with that, let them open the gun and pull the shell out!). These things are rare, but 30 seconds isn't long to wait. Eject the shell from the gun and inspect the primer. If it has a good dent then it's a faulty primer, if not it's a gun issue. Try again with another shell. When I get a misfire (only had a couple in many thousands of shots) I cut the shell half way down the wad and then pull out the wad. Throw the powder on the floor where it will get damp and all is sorted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul223 Posted January 27, 2008 Report Share Posted January 27, 2008 I'd wait 30 seconds before opening the gun in case of a hang fire (if anyone has a problem with that, let them open the gun and pull the shell out!). These things are rare, but 30 seconds isn't long to wait. Eject the shell from the gun and inspect the primer. If it has a good dent then it's a faulty primer, if not it's a gun issue. Try again with another shell. When I get a misfire (only had a couple in many thousands of shots) I cut the shell half way down the wad and then pull out the wad. Throw the powder on the floor where it will get damp and all is sorted. Good advice there from Neil Wait 30 seconds or so, inspect the primer, don't try to refire if the primer is well marked as it will be weakened, dispose of cartridge properly, cut in half does just fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apbuild Posted January 27, 2008 Report Share Posted January 27, 2008 Wait 30 seconds before opening the gun. Cartridges can still go off shortly after misfire, due to what is known as a 'Hangfire'! Most misfires are due to either worn firing pins or hard primers on some batches of cartridges. It is all common sense really but to wait 5 minutes is nonsense. Rob. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deny essex Posted January 27, 2008 Report Share Posted January 27, 2008 (edited) Its normal practise to wait at least 30 seconds with the gun pointing in a safe direction, click heared or not , cartridges are much better now but the odd "hard" cap and hang fire does happen but rarely , not to mention a gun fault, break the gun or eject the cartridge in a safe manner, face and body parts away from the breach, choose if you wish to re-fire or ditch the cartrdge by cutting open , leave it for a little while to cut open as mentioned. Im not gripeing or knocking anyone but would sujest its wise for anyone useing a firearm to at least read up on the basic safety practise of safe gun handleing, we dont need any exscuses by mishaps for more regulation!. I once had my gun misfire , but the problem was i could not break the barrel to un-load, after much effort and but banging on trees to try and make it fire, i had to take the loaded gun to a gun smiths with a lot of uneasy feelings during transport and the poor sod was not happy trying to unscrew the gun to get it open! fortunately it was a broken mainspring which jammed every thing, but you never know . Edited January 27, 2008 by deny essex Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul223 Posted January 27, 2008 Report Share Posted January 27, 2008 Anyone reading this who has a bolt action, rifle or shotgun, lift and draw back the bolt with your palm, don't wrap your mitts around it in case the cartridge goes off and throws the bolt back :unsure: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petersclan Posted January 27, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 27, 2008 good advise all round, thanks all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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