flash Posted June 10, 2008 Report Share Posted June 10, 2008 i may be able to make it after all lol. but only for saturday night and sunday. got sisters birthday on saturday, so may stay for a bit, have a few cans of pop, and then drive up to surrey that evening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC Posted June 10, 2008 Report Share Posted June 10, 2008 Flash, saturday night is all you need. LB will only keep you awake on sunday morning anyway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flash Posted June 10, 2008 Report Share Posted June 10, 2008 lol true. deffo need to apply for my shotgun license before then lol, or it will be no shooting for me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunkield Posted June 10, 2008 Report Share Posted June 10, 2008 I am sure there will be something you can shoot Flash Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferret Master Posted June 10, 2008 Report Share Posted June 10, 2008 lol true.deffo need to apply for my shotgun license before then lol, or it will be no shooting for me You said you were going to apply today as you have the forms. So did you? If not then I strongly suggest you get your **** in gear Mr Gordon and do so! FM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC Posted June 10, 2008 Report Share Posted June 10, 2008 Why can't you borrow a gun? You can use mine if you want. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flash Posted June 10, 2008 Report Share Posted June 10, 2008 mr fielding, we have a slight problem. im at college the forms are at home. i dont know where i can put the cabinet, and im poor lol. thanks for the offer martin, i may take you up on that offer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferret Master Posted June 10, 2008 Report Share Posted June 10, 2008 Get more forms. Do you have a cabinet at both of your houses? FM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flash Posted June 10, 2008 Report Share Posted June 10, 2008 nah only at surrey house, dad aint down in devon much, so dont go out with rifles or shotguns much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferret Master Posted June 10, 2008 Report Share Posted June 10, 2008 Could you get a cabinet bolted to the floor anywhere in your Devon house? FM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flash Posted June 10, 2008 Report Share Posted June 10, 2008 not sure, will have to check. a mate at college has a farm, and they brew there own real ale, so may be eble to get a keg to bring up as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kip270 Posted June 10, 2008 Report Share Posted June 10, 2008 lol true.deffo need to apply for my shotgun license before then lol, or it will be no shooting for me Your more than welcome to use mine too, all i ask is some pennies towards ammo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunkield Posted June 12, 2008 Report Share Posted June 12, 2008 See the pinned topic at the top of this section, it's time to show Dunganick the colour of your money Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr W Posted June 12, 2008 Report Share Posted June 12, 2008 Is Bisley a military site? Was read something in Sporting Shooter this month about people using military sites having to have some sort of annual certificate otherwise they couldn't shoot? Am I just getting confused, I wouldn't want this to cause any problems come the Bisley meet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC Posted June 12, 2008 Report Share Posted June 12, 2008 Yes Bisley is a military range and yes you do have to have a safety certificate issued by either your club, the NRA or similar. I have the deatils at home but I do not think this will affect us this year. Do not worry about it and I will keep you posted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr W Posted June 12, 2008 Report Share Posted June 12, 2008 Thanks Martin Was getting a bit worried that I couldn't have a go on the rifles as I've never tried before and certainly don't have a certificate. Perhaps it's ok if you're under supervision? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC Posted June 12, 2008 Report Share Posted June 12, 2008 I will post the full details tonight when I get in. Do not worry about it it won't effect this year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC Posted June 12, 2008 Report Share Posted June 12, 2008 This is the article taken from the NRA website, Lies, Damn Lies and the NRA Muzzle Energy There is a very current rumour going around that the NRA rather than protect the interest of shooters was the originator of the Muzzle Energy problem. This is of course a complete fallacy of a perverse mind. The history of this event was that in late October 2007 it was reported that shooting was being restricted at Altcar to 3800J. It was found by the NRA after investigation that this was a general intention, to be introduced by the MoD on all military ranges. Effectively most civilian shooting would have had to stop. After much negotiation with the military the Muzzle Energy limit was raised to 4500J keeping the majority of those using military ranges shooting. The NRA pointed out that this caused problems for some shooters who shot F Class, Match Rifle, Sporting Rifle and other disciplines. As a result the special zeroing conditions were brought into place, keeping 100% of shooters shooting. To meet general safety conditions on their ranges the MoD also required that every individual using their ranges was either certificated as safe and competent or they had recently undertaken a 'national standard' course, the NRA Probationary Course. This was not something invented by the NRA, this was designed to put similar safeguards in place for civilians using MoD ranges as those the military have to meet themselves. The NRA were duty bound to take on this challenge in short timescales to ensure all shooters could continue to shoot. The NRA recognises that the new conditions are onerous but they are necessary to meet military expectations to use their ranges. We also recognise that due to necessary haste we will not have got everything right first time but this will be an evolving process. The NRA did not invite this problem but has had to deal with it. In doing so the Association has had to negotiate, spend a great deal of effort writing and re-writing requirements to the specification of the military, construct course material specifically to be delivered at club level and increase its administrative and staff costs. At present estimates this is going to cost the NRA £150k in the first year, none of which has been passed onto the clubs or individuals. I only have this question to ask of those that came up with this idea. If we were responsible for the Muzzle Energy problem, would we really have wanted to take on all the work, frustration, criticism and cost, for no benefit to us? In the words of the senior military negotiator, "If shooters don't want to comply they don't shoot on a MoD range". As said I will post what they sent me later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC Posted June 12, 2008 Report Share Posted June 12, 2008 The safety certificate is basicall issued by your club, or the NRA and certifies you safe to use a certain type of firearm. This is not required until 1st January 2009. What however is required is that you are aware of the muzzle energy of your firearms that you intend to use and you ensure that it does not exceed 4500 Joules. I have a chart which I will scan and upload but unless you have anything larget than a .308 then you should be fine For example a 150gr bullet would have to exceed 3150 FPS to be over this. If you do exceed this then a special 200 yard zero session has to take place under strict supervision to ensure you do not miss the stop butts. I hope this answers this query. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kip270 Posted June 16, 2008 Report Share Posted June 16, 2008 I'll be there how many rifles/shotguns do i bring?? ?? ?? So whats everyone taking?:o I'm not sure what to take and what not to take....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPARKIE Posted June 17, 2008 Report Share Posted June 17, 2008 take them all i did last year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stealth Stalker Posted June 24, 2008 Report Share Posted June 24, 2008 Sorry guys I'm gonna have to drop out of this, the Mrs has booked us a 2 week holiday SS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunkield Posted June 24, 2008 Report Share Posted June 24, 2008 What about PIN SS? he is very quiet these days . . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flash Posted June 24, 2008 Report Share Posted June 24, 2008 sadly, i cant make it this year either. cant miss sisters birthday for a second year in a row Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPARKIE Posted June 24, 2008 Report Share Posted June 24, 2008 there dropping like flies wickedandlazys isnt coming either but i am hurrrahhhh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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