1-1 variations

[casts_by_fly]

hi guys and gals,

 

If I want to do a 1:1 variation, do I have to apply for it first with the firearms office before I can do it or do I justs do it and then tell them that I did it?

 

Second, does a 1:1 variation have to be exactly the same catridge? For instance, if I wanted to swap my 17 HMR for a 4.7x28 would that be 1 for one since I am selling one to acquire one?

 

Thanks,

Rick

[al4x]

you have to sell the rifle then send your licence in for the slot to aquire a gun of the same caliber to be put back on, before you can buy the next one

Edited March 19, 2008 by al4x

[tulkyuk]

is)no you dont need to tell them before you sell your 17hmr - sell it, then inform them of the sale and tell them you want a variation for your new calibre

 

it is always best to ask your FAO first though ,to see if he is ok with you changing calibre

Edited March 19, 2008 by tulkyuk

[al4x]

a change of caliber isn't a 1 for 1, its purely to changeone for another of the same caliber.

 

You need a full variation for a different caliber and makes not a lot of difference if you sell the other first

[casts_by_fly]

thanks guys,

 

that will help me with my decision. I'm debating selling my HMR and replacing it with another barrel for my encore. However, I'm considering replacing it with another HMR, a 4.7 x 28, or a 17 ackley hornet.

 

So long story short I have to sell it first, then apply for the variation and thus will be without it for a while.

 

Maybe I'll just ask to add instead of swap. Then there is no lag time (it takes 2 months to make me a barrel for the encore from time of order).

 

Thanks,

Rick

[tulkyuk]

Not according to my FAO - he will let you change 1 calibre for another as a 1 for 1

[al4x]

if its a new caliber you'll need a variation anyway so just put in for that and once you've got it get the next one then sell the hmr

[al4x]

even rimfire to centre fire?

[Devon Fox]

You can be issued with a temp cert for the gun you already have, so you do not need to be without it during the change over, thats what i did when going from 222 to 243. speak your fao.

[tulkyuk]

even rimfire to centre fire?

 

 

Yep - changed my 17hmr into a .223 on one occasion

 

also changed my 243 for a 6.5x55 recently ( but also added anther 17hmr as i missed that calibre in my arsnal )

[casts_by_fly]

I'll just add. Then if I decide I want to sell the HMR I can. If I don't want to sell it I don't have to.

 

thanks,

rick

[Dunkield]

even rimfire to centre fire?

 

 

Yep - changed my 17hmr into a .223 on one occasion

 

also changed my 243 for a 6.5x55 recently ( but also added anther 17hmr as i missed that calibre in my arsnal )

Those are variations.

1-4-1's are just that, swapping one for another (identical) one

[tulkyuk]

Those are variations.

1-4-1's are just that, swapping one for another (identical) one

 

 

Well not in North Wales mate

 

if you want to change calibre normally it costs you £26 for a variation, a 1-4-1 is free :- mine were free, so work it out

[Dunkield]

I think you are lucky to have got those alterations for free.

You have gained, or changed 'slots' which isn't free round these parts.

[al4x]

whats a variation round your way if a 1 for 1 means any caliber

[bob300w]

Interesting to see how different area's interpret the law, in Essex, a one for one, whatever calibre is involved is free, i.e. changing 17 to 300, you are simply changing one weapon for another. Adding a weapon, i.e. increasing the number that you hold, is a variation and costs.

[tulkyuk]

 

 

 

whats a variation round your way if a 1 for 1 means any caliber

 

 

Adding another calibre - like when i added the additional 17hmr ( because the last one was a 1-4-1 into a 223)

 

so did not pay to originally change 17 to 223 or to change 243 to 6.5, but had to pay £26 to put 17hmr back on my ticket at a later date.

Edited March 19, 2008 by tulkyuk

[harv]

the 'one for one' variation does not increase the number of guns held,it is also valid for change of calibre,

gun for moderator etc, only when you increase the number of guns on cert will you need to pay for a variation.

[Browning]

the 'one for one' variation does not increase the number of guns held,it is also valid for change of calibre,

gun for moderator etc, only when you increase the number of guns on cert will you need to pay for a variation.

 

[wy111]

1-4-1 means change of guns of the same calibre. All you do is enter details on your certificate of the sale and purchase, notify Firearms dept of sale and purchase, by recorded delivery(Tho some accept E-mail)and do not need to send FAC in until renewal, when all guns will be officially recorded on new cetificate. This is free.

You cannot change calibre or add an extra gun, even of the same calibre, without a variation application, which costs £26.

If you want a moderator for the new calibre, even if you had one on the "sold" calibre, that has to go on the variation application also. Unless you've got an open certificate, you may also get another check from FLO.

If in doubt contact your local FLO

[CharlieT]

1-4-1 means change of guns of the same calibre. All you do is enter details on your certificate of the sale and purchase, notify Firearms dept of sale and purchase, by recorded delivery(Tho some accept E-mail)and do not need to send FAC in until renewal, when all guns will be officially recorded on new cetificate. This is free.

You cannot change calibre or add an extra gun, even of the same calibre, without a variation application, which costs £26.

If you want a moderator for the new calibre, even if you had one on the "sold" calibre, that has to go on the variation application also. Unless you've got an open certificate, you may also get another check from FLO.

If in doubt contact your local FLO

 

 

I'm sorry but what you quote above is totally incorrect. I would strongly suggest you read the HO guidelines which clearly state what the rules are before giving advise.

 

All "slots" for acquisition of another firearm require authorisation from your firearms dept and the slot has to be added to your fac.

As has been stated a free 1 for 1 variation applies irrespective of caliber disposal/acquisition. ie you can change a .22rf for a .223cf and it is always free provided the number of firearms held is not increased.

 

All are variations it's just that 1 for 1's are free others are £26.

[njc110381]

In my area it's the number of guns held. You can change calibres as a one for one (think about it. You get rid of one, and replace it with another one....One for one!). A chargable variation is varying the number of (adding) guns. I think you can even swap a mod for a gun.

 

You shouldn't be charged for swapping calibres or guns, only adding more.

[markbivvy]

only when you increase the number of guns on cert will you need to pay for a variation.

 

he knows.

[armourer]

i have 12 months ago sold a 17hmr i had on my cert with a moderator all on my fac ,i in the last few weeks decided to purchase another 17hmr which i missed so i went and bought another from a fire arms dealer ,a day went by and i had a call from the local firearm dept to say i was in breech of the law as i did not have a variation on my cert to buy a 17hmr,so the police came and took my rifle and i filled a variation in all was ok ,after thinking about it i bought the same calibre and mod that i had on my cert after i sold it did i need to send another variation to add on my cert and cost £20 to add. looking forward to the replies.

Edited July 7, 2017 by armourer

[jam1e]

Not sure if this is national now.. But i put a variation in 3 months ago changing from .357 mag to .17 WSM. It was agreed, I received my ticket back with the .17 WSM on, and a separate 3 month non photo temp ticket valid for 3 months to give me time to sell the .357 mag even though i'd already sold it.

I'm shocked the gun dealer went ahead with the sale, knowing (I Presume they knew) you had already 'filled' that rifle slot.

Chaz.

 

* That was West Mercia and as it was 1 for 1 it was free*

Edited July 7, 2017 by jam1e