opinions please !

[the_commoner]

afternoon all,

 

just wondered how everything felt when it comes to the clays disciplines ie which are harder and which are easier

 

DTL - Easiest

ABT

Double Rise

Sporting

Sporting Flush

Skeet - Hardest

 

the above are based on scores, i am useless at skeet got 18 once but usually around the 13 - 15 mark and i have shot skeet more than any of the other disciplines

[Peter De La Mare]

For the journeyman, the Skeet can be hard... however you only need to look ar the results to find that people can shoot 1000 straight in English Skeet and most trap disciplines. And that loads of people shoot 25, 50 ,75, 100 straight every weekend. Olympic Skeet is a little harder however.

 

You will never see 1000 straight in sporting. Hell, even 100 straight is rare in a registered shoot or worthwhile competition.

Edited July 9, 2008 by Peter De La Mare

[MC]

I think that to be honest Skeet is probably the easiest along with the trap disciplines as it is down to repetition and practise.

 

Sporting and FITASC have got to be the hardest as you will never see the same bird twice on any layout. They are always different, sometimes looking the same but always different.

 

As Peter said, you never see many 100 straights at sporting, you see several at skeet or trap.

[bob300w]

Yep, I'm with Martin on this, Skeet is by far the easiest, providing you can hold your concentration for the length of the round. Sporting is skill, skeet is purely concentration. Having said that, I saw two American servicemen both shoot 25/25 skeet from the hip several years back at Bentwaters, try that with sporting!

[tweedledee]

i would say dtl is a great discipline for the beginner skeet second hardest but to me the variety offered on a sporting shoot makes it the hardest for me.lack of repitition and ever changing stands makes it harder to acheive high scores. but it`s great fun

[teknys12]

sporting has to be the hardest,just look the different variations of clays used,standard,midi,mini,battue,rabbit. it's tricky stuff if your up against a crafty trapper.trying helice this weekend at a local club, i've heard this is quite hard...on the wallet!

[the_commoner]

i thought i might get that kinda response, why the hell can i not shoot skeet, i find sporting a challenge and great fun and get some half decent scores (late teens generally outta 25) but i really struggle on skeet

 

i am coming to the assumption that skeet you can quite literally 'learn' and that i have not learn't each stand yet

 

the other disciplines are a little more varied...................

[Emmsy]

fitasc would be hardest, followed by sporting. skeet and dtl are both on easy end of the scale as once you have learnt the angles then it doesnt really change from ground to ground.

[peter-peter]

skeet easiest as the birds are or should be predictable.

dtl little harder do to varying angles .

ball trap harder again due to angles,

double rise can be a pig if you don't come back down for the second bird.

esp I find is the best. imo

compact sporting is good fun,

fitasc is a challenge but when you get hitting those long fast birds it don't half do the moral good. its the hardest.

try olympic trench. thats good.

the secret with skeet is sustained lead from stand 1 to stand 4 doble your lead on every stand. then 4 to 7 halve the led every stand.

with a little practice you should be hitting over 20 soon work at it.//pete//

big thing with all disciplins is keep you eye on the clay Not the rib.

Edited July 9, 2008 by peter-peter

[poontang]

I'd say it all depends on what you class as 'hardest'? Yes, skeet birds SHOULD be consistant wherever you shoot, although that really isn't the case. You shoot loads of skeet at your 'home' ground, then go somewhere else and try it. I guarantee you'll notice a difference, and it can really throw you.

Skeet birds are quick and close, you don't have a lot of time to think about them, shooting them becomes almost instinctive. Sporting targets normally give you a little more time to 'read the target'. Yes, many people shoot high scores in skeet, but if you're in competition and you drop just one bird, you might as well go home because nothing less than 100% will get you anywhere in skeet nowadays. Maintaining that level of focus and concentration is what most people can't handle. On the other hand if you have a bad stand at a sporting shoot you can still pull it round on the other stands.

So then, what's hardest? The level of concentration needed in skeet, or the variety of targets used in sporting?

[peter-peter]

if you shoot skeet well you should be able to do it on any ground.

sporting you can not stand a bad stand not in our club shoot a bad stand you have come second or much worse

[peter-peter]

I'd say it all depends on what you class as 'hardest'? Yes, skeet birds SHOULD be consistant wherever you shoot, although that really isn't the case. You shoot loads of skeet at your 'home' ground, then go somewhere else and try it. I guarantee you'll notice a difference, and it can really throw you.

Skeet birds are quick and close, you don't have a lot of time to think about them, shooting them becomes almost instinctive. Sporting targets normally give you a little more time to 'read the target'. Yes, many people shoot high scores in skeet, but if you're in competition and you drop just one bird, you might as well go home because nothing less than 100% will get you anywhere in skeet nowadays. Maintaining that level of focus and concentration is what most people can't handle. On the other hand if you have a bad stand at a sporting shoot you can still pull it round on the other stands.

So then, what's hardest? The level of concentration needed in skeet, or the variety of targets used in sporting?

in skeet you have plenty of time, if you have to rush it to get on the second bird you are doing it wrong skeet birds are slow. if you shoot sustained lead you have all the time in the world.

[poontang]

I'd say it all depends on what you class as 'hardest'? Yes, skeet birds SHOULD be consistant wherever you shoot, although that really isn't the case. You shoot loads of skeet at your 'home' ground, then go somewhere else and try it. I guarantee you'll notice a difference, and it can really throw you.

Skeet birds are quick and close, you don't have a lot of time to think about them, shooting them becomes almost instinctive. Sporting targets normally give you a little more time to 'read the target'. Yes, many people shoot high scores in skeet, but if you're in competition and you drop just one bird, you might as well go home because nothing less than 100% will get you anywhere in skeet nowadays. Maintaining that level of focus and concentration is what most people can't handle. On the other hand if you have a bad stand at a sporting shoot you can still pull it round on the other stands.

So then, what's hardest? The level of concentration needed in skeet, or the variety of targets used in sporting?

in skeet you have plenty of time, if you have to rush it to get on the second bird you are doing it wrong skeet birds are slow. if you shoot sustained lead you have all the time in the world.

 

 

 

Oh silly me, if only i'd realised how easy it is to shoot skeet.

 

Now i know i've got all the time in the world i'll take a paper with me to while away the hours as i watch the bird cross the range!! I'm assuming you're a regular 100 straight man, Peter?

Edited July 9, 2008 by poontang

[Nicky T]

Sporting gets my vote as the hardest and DTL as the easiest, but then again i've only shot Sporting, Skeet and DTL

[the_commoner]

i forgot olympic skeet, find that easier than english skeet

 

BTW equalled my PB last night with an 18 on skeet, was well chuffed

[beretta]

skeet is not much of a challenge!!!!!!!!!!!

once you no your angles its quite boring i think, and yes you do have all the time in the world to shoot them.

as for consentration at skeet, well lets face it, you dont need much of that either. close slow clays ! not a challenge to me anyway and before anyone asks, no i dont shoot 100 every time as i get bored.

sporting is the biggest challenge to me and no i dont get 100 everytime at that either.6x 99s is closest ive had but each one of them is worth 10x 100s at skeet.

if your decent at sporting skeet is not a challenge

[poontang]

skeet is not much of a challenge!!!!!!!!!!!

once you no your angles its quite boring i think, and yes you do have all the time in the world to shoot them.

as for consentration at skeet, well lets face it, you dont need much of that either. close slow clays ! not a challenge to me anyway and before anyone asks, no i dont shoot 100 every time as i get bored.

sporting is the biggest challenge to me and no i dont get 100 everytime at that either.6x 99s is closest ive had but each one of them is worth 10x 100s at skeet.

if your decent at sporting skeet is not a challenge B)

 

 

 

To shoot 99ex100 is great shooting, and i've little doubt was the winning score on the day? But this reinforces my earlier point that 99ex100 in skeet would get you nowhere in a skeet competition. I know you're a long time, successful sporting shot, as it's been mentioned on here before, and to you skeet may hold little challenge, but to the average all round shot i don't think it would be quite as easy. I've only been shooting for 14 months and was taught on the skeet range. The last couple of months i've been shooting sporting, sportrap and all round and i must say what i learnt on skeet has certainly helped me with these disciplines. To answer the original poster, i'd have to say i do prefer sporting targets, though recently i've struggled at skeet so for me, at the moment, they're the hardest.

[bob300w]

skeet is not much of a challenge!!!!!!!!!!!

once you no your angles its quite boring i think, and yes you do have all the time in the world to shoot them.

as for consentration at skeet, well lets face it, you dont need much of that either. close slow clays ! not a challenge to me anyway and before anyone asks, no i dont shoot 100 every time as i get bored.

sporting is the biggest challenge to me and no i dont get 100 everytime at that either.6x 99s is closest ive had but each one of them is worth 10x 100s at skeet.

if your decent at sporting skeet is not a challenge B)

 

 

 

To shoot 99ex100 is great shooting, and i've little doubt was the winning score on the day? But this reinforces my earlier point that 99ex100 in skeet would get you nowhere in a skeet competition. I know you're a long time, successful sporting shot, as it's been mentioned on here before, and to you skeet may hold little challenge, but to the average all round shot i don't think it would be quite as easy. I've only been shooting for 14 months and was taught on the skeet range. The last couple of months i've been shooting sporting, sportrap and all round and i must say what i learnt on skeet has certainly helped me with these disciplines. To answer the original poster, i'd have to say i do prefer sporting targets, though recently i've struggled at skeet so for me, at the moment, they're the hardest.

Try shooting a round of skeet with different people, skeet is purely concentration, having your mates with you taking the proverbial is not condusive to good scores if you are a beginner.

[Chard]

skeet is not much of a challenge!!!!!!!!!!!

once you no your angles its quite boring i think, and yes you do have all the time in the world to shoot them.

as for consentration at skeet, well lets face it, you dont need much of that either. close slow clays ! not a challenge to me anyway and before anyone asks, no i dont shoot 100 every time as i get bored.

sporting is the biggest challenge to me and no i dont get 100 everytime at that either.6x 99s is closest ive had but each one of them is worth 10x 100s at skeet.

if your decent at sporting skeet is not a challenge B)

 

 

 

To shoot 99ex100 is great shooting, and i've little doubt was the winning score on the day? But this reinforces my earlier point that 99ex100 in skeet would get you nowhere in a skeet competition. I know you're a long time, successful sporting shot, as it's been mentioned on here before, and to you skeet may hold little challenge, but to the average all round shot i don't think it would be quite as easy. I've only been shooting for 14 months and was taught on the skeet range. The last couple of months i've been shooting sporting, sportrap and all round and i must say what i learnt on skeet has certainly helped me with these disciplines. To answer the original poster, i'd have to say i do prefer sporting targets, though recently i've struggled at skeet so for me, at the moment, they're the hardest.

Try shooting a round of skeet with different people, skeet is purely concentration, having your mates with you taking the proverbial is not condusive to good scores if you are a beginner.

 

 

That sounded a bit like an excuse, Billy Bob

 

Edited July 11, 2008 by Chard

[poontang]

skeet is not much of a challenge!!!!!!!!!!!

once you no your angles its quite boring i think, and yes you do have all the time in the world to shoot them.

as for consentration at skeet, well lets face it, you dont need much of that either. close slow clays ! not a challenge to me anyway and before anyone asks, no i dont shoot 100 every time as i get bored.

sporting is the biggest challenge to me and no i dont get 100 everytime at that either.6x 99s is closest ive had but each one of them is worth 10x 100s at skeet.

if your decent at sporting skeet is not a challenge B)

 

 

 

To shoot 99ex100 is great shooting, and i've little doubt was the winning score on the day? But this reinforces my earlier point that 99ex100 in skeet would get you nowhere in a skeet competition. I know you're a long time, successful sporting shot, as it's been mentioned on here before, and to you skeet may hold little challenge, but to the average all round shot i don't think it would be quite as easy. I've only been shooting for 14 months and was taught on the skeet range. The last couple of months i've been shooting sporting, sportrap and all round and i must say what i learnt on skeet has certainly helped me with these disciplines. To answer the original poster, i'd have to say i do prefer sporting targets, though recently i've struggled at skeet so for me, at the moment, they're the hardest.

Try shooting a round of skeet with different people, skeet is purely concentration, having your mates with you taking the proverbial is not condusive to good scores if you are a beginner.

 

 

Yeah, i know what you're saying Bob, the problem is, i actually shoot much better when there's a bit of banter!! Thing is, when i put my serious head on i think too much and start measuring birds and making basic mistakes. When i'm messing about i don't think about it and shoot more instinctively. Which is fine, most of the time, but everyone's so serious in competition i daren't **** in case it puts 'em off!!

[bob300w]

skeet is not much of a challenge!!!!!!!!!!!

once you no your angles its quite boring i think, and yes you do have all the time in the world to shoot them.

as for consentration at skeet, well lets face it, you dont need much of that either. close slow clays ! not a challenge to me anyway and before anyone asks, no i dont shoot 100 every time as i get bored.

sporting is the biggest challenge to me and no i dont get 100 everytime at that either.6x 99s is closest ive had but each one of them is worth 10x 100s at skeet.

if your decent at sporting skeet is not a challenge B)

 

 

 

To shoot 99ex100 is great shooting, and i've little doubt was the winning score on the day? But this reinforces my earlier point that 99ex100 in skeet would get you nowhere in a skeet competition. I know you're a long time, successful sporting shot, as it's been mentioned on here before, and to you skeet may hold little challenge, but to the average all round shot i don't think it would be quite as easy. I've only been shooting for 14 months and was taught on the skeet range. The last couple of months i've been shooting sporting, sportrap and all round and i must say what i learnt on skeet has certainly helped me with these disciplines. To answer the original poster, i'd have to say i do prefer sporting targets, though recently i've struggled at skeet so for me, at the moment, they're the hardest.

Try shooting a round of skeet with different people, skeet is purely concentration, having your mates with you taking the proverbial is not condusive to good scores if you are a beginner.

 

 

Yeah, i know what you're saying Bob, the problem is, i actually shoot much better when there's a bit of banter!! Thing is, when i put my serious head on i think too much and start measuring birds and making basic mistakes. When i'm messing about i don't think about it and shoot more instinctively. Which is fine, most of the time, but everyone's so serious in competition i daren't **** in case it puts 'em off!!

Yes, I know, we all think that we shoot better when there is nothing to lose, it's rather like knowing all the answers to who wants to be a millionaire when you are at home. You just don't count the ones that you get wrong, or the clays that you miss.

Instinctive shooting is not consistent shooting, you need concentration, not mates taking the proverbial whilst you are shooting.

You will never see a top shot doing banter whilst on the stand, they are there to win the shoot, not to win 'Britains got Talent'.

If this sounds serious, it is, you will get far more pleasure from taking home some of the prize money than having your mates in hysterics at a joke cracked whilst you are on the stand.

And if your farts are anything like EE's it would put Digweed off!

[beretta]

as ive said many times before. you can get anyone to hit any clay. the big difference is your head.90% of shooting is in it. loads of ways to improve your concentration. you only need to focus for 2 min at a time while your on the stand.loads of little tips to improve your shooting when you think about it. i used to juggle a lot to help me, plus it was fun and not a chore.

mind you it took me 3 bloody months to master 1 trick called mills mess. that did my head in.

[bob300w]

as ive said many times before. you can get anyone to hit any clay. the big difference is your head.90% of shooting is in it. loads of ways to improve your concentration. you only need to focus for 2 min at a time while your on the stand.loads of little tips to improve your shooting when you think about it. i used to juggle a lot to help me, plus it was fun and not a chore.

mind you it took me 3 bloody months to master 1 trick called mills mess. that did my head in.

You must have some very patient guns where you shoot, I can imagine the comments if I started juggling whilst on the stand at my local shoot.

[poontang]

Thanks very much for the advice chaps. I'm off to shoot a 100 bird all round comp tomorrow, am going to give it 100% no messing around, and no farting!! I'll post my score when i get back, think i got 73 last time, so will see how i get on. Beretta, thanks for the tip, i shall be juggling my balls between stands

[beretta]

ahmm!!!!!!! actually you do it at home. if you can switch off and concentrate for 2 min at a time you will improve.