tosspot Posted August 4, 2008 Report Share Posted August 4, 2008 the bottom line is IMO if you want to shoot clays (semi) seriously, have a benchmark against which to improve and have a Nationally recognised classification you have little option other than the CPSA if you want shooting insurance there are cheaper and better options Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ABOLT Posted August 5, 2008 Report Share Posted August 5, 2008 I was in basc and cpsa and wouldn't touch cpsa now,after a few years ago they sent me a threatening letter which i still have somewhere after my membership had run out 2 months ago saying i was shooting without insurance and they would take action against me unless i back date my membership, bear in mind i was a club member at big clay ground which has its own liability insurance and being a basc member as well and it had nothing to do with with any competition shoot,its a yes sir no sir organization,thats my opinion. basc have been spot on Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chard Posted August 5, 2008 Report Share Posted August 5, 2008 I was in basc and cpsa and wouldn't touch cpsa now,after a few years ago they sent me a threatening letter which i still have somewhere after my membership had run out 2 months ago saying i was shooting without insurance and they would take action against me unless i back date my membership, bear in mind i was a club member at big clay ground which has its own liability insurance and being a basc member as well and it had nothing to do with with any competition shoot,its a yes sir no sir organization,thats my opinion. basc have been spot on I would be interested to see a copy of that letter. They can't threaten you with legal action and they can't backdate insurance (for obvious reasons). If their insurer knew they were backdating cover, they would go ballistic. I think you've either misinterpreted that letter or they are seriously in breach of just about everything going, including the law Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catamong Posted August 5, 2008 Report Share Posted August 5, 2008 Yes, methinks ABOLT speaks with forked tongue. Cat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ABOLT Posted August 5, 2008 Report Share Posted August 5, 2008 just moved house and i will find it and happy to send you a copy but have to go through boxes to find it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ABOLT Posted August 5, 2008 Report Share Posted August 5, 2008 cat i don't speak with a forked tongue and i dont hold grudge's but someone asked about cpsa which i was a member for many years but when they sent a letter like that, in which the clay ground which i still shoot at saw the letter and was not impressed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catamong Posted August 5, 2008 Report Share Posted August 5, 2008 They would undoubtebly have sent you a letter to remind you that if your membership lapsed, so would your insurance cover for shooting, but to suggest that they implied that they would "take action against me unless I backdate my membership" is simply absurd. Sorry ABOLT, I don't believe it. Cat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ABOLT Posted August 5, 2008 Report Share Posted August 5, 2008 i will find the letter and yourself being a clay shooter like myself and possibley have shot at the same ground being only a county away give me a while to find it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter De La Mare Posted August 5, 2008 Report Share Posted August 5, 2008 I was in basc and cpsa and wouldn't touch cpsa now,after a few years ago they sent me a threatening letter which i still have somewhere after my membership had run out 2 months ago saying i was shooting without insurance and they would take action against me unless i back date my membership, bear in mind i was a club member at big clay ground which has its own liability insurance and being a basc member as well and it had nothing to do with with any competition shoot,its a yes sir no sir organization,thats my opinion. basc have been spot on I would be interested to see a copy of that letter. They can't threaten you with legal action and they can't backdate insurance (for obvious reasons). If their insurer knew they were backdating cover, they would go ballistic. I think you've either misinterpreted that letter or they are seriously in breach of just about everything going, including the law Aye, that's all ********. My membership has lapsed more than once in the 12 years I wasn't shooting. They've sent a polite reminder that I've lapsed and still I neglected to renew it. I called back 6 months after and paid up. Absolutely no mention of insurance threats or anything like that. I'm reaching for my ******** flag right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catamong Posted August 5, 2008 Report Share Posted August 5, 2008 Yes, wait till Clayman sees this one........he used to work for the CPSA until they ..Ahem.."released" him, I'm sure he'll have plenty to say on this load of bull. Cat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC Posted August 5, 2008 Report Share Posted August 5, 2008 When my membership lapsed because I didn't rejoin they rang me and told me the implications of shooting without insurance. There is nothing illegal about shooting without insurance, it is just bloody daft. What would be the point of backdating insurance, surely unless you shot someone a week ago there is no need to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chard Posted August 5, 2008 Report Share Posted August 5, 2008 When my membership lapsed because I didn't rejoin they rang me and told me the implications of shooting without insurance. There is nothing illegal about shooting without insurance, it is just bloody daft. What would be the point of backdating insurance, surely unless you shot someone a week ago there is no need to. The reasons that insurers are paranoid about sellers backdating insurance is that, theoretically, an uninsured person could have had an accident last week/yesterday or whatever. Clearly if cover is backdated by a seller, the insurance company might be put in a position where they end up paying out on the claim when they should not have had to. We sell travel insurance and are often asked by uninsured travellers to put a policy in place and backdate it to the date they left home. They have clearly got a problem, they're either ill or have lost some possessions and want to try and get cover in place so they can fiddle a claim. We tell them to **** off, because we're hot on customer care Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fatcatsplat Posted August 5, 2008 Report Share Posted August 5, 2008 Sorry, I'm an insurance nerd Since insurance has been governed by the FSA they have mandated that contract certainty be one of the driving forces behind anything sold to the consumer - Basically, at point of sale, you are fully aware of all policy terms and conditions - By backdating coverage, you are in breach of this. Also, no insurer will pay for a claim when technically uninsured. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catamong Posted August 5, 2008 Report Share Posted August 5, 2008 Fatsplatcat, Yes, couldn't agree more, I'm afraid ABOLT has shot his bolt on this one, no doubt the letter will have "vanished" in the move, I'm sorry to appear cynical about this, but I've been on this forum for a while and all I seem to do now is expose blaggards and liars, why do people "bend" the truth..?? Cat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clayman Posted August 6, 2008 Report Share Posted August 6, 2008 Yes, the CPSA do send out a standard letter reminding lapsed members that they are uninsured. It always seemed to me to be rather terse in its wording, but not my department and my views fell on deaf ears. There is no threat in it I'm aware of, but I can understand some interpreting it as threatening, and while I was there I was certainly aware that it did wind up quite a few recipients. The insurance element always runs from the date of payment, so its never backdated, even if the membership term was run on from the lapse point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catamong Posted August 6, 2008 Report Share Posted August 6, 2008 Clayman, Thanks for clarifying that one, I don't want people to be perturbed from joining the CPSA, they may have many faults, but they still are the only option for those that want to progress in the sport. Cat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emmsy Posted August 6, 2008 Report Share Posted August 6, 2008 the best of a bad bunch. should be there motto Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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