Lloyd90 Posted September 4, 2008 Report Share Posted September 4, 2008 Been out with BOTCH and REDTHUNDER shooting Botch's 17 HMR and Red's 22 LR. Been trying to make up my mind which calibre to go for on my ticket, both were cracking rounds that did a good job, in the end have decided to go for a 22 LR, much quieter and can get TONS more ammo for the cost of a box of 17 HMR! Started shooting small bottles of pop I bought down my local "ethnic shop".(this is what Im told they have to be called now.) Only 20p each so grabbed 15 of em. The 22 easily hit em @ 80 yards! Punched nice holes in them. Next Botch brought out the 17. Really blasted the bottles, blowing them in half and blasting massive holes in them. The 22 had nothing on the 17's power but both seemed fantastic. After shooting the two am going to go for a 22 LR since as a new shooter I will be able to afford to shoot ALOT more rounds and get used to it. Cant wait to fill out my forms now, going to get cracking on them tomorrow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evilv Posted September 4, 2008 Report Share Posted September 4, 2008 Been out with BOTCH and REDTHUNDER shooting Botch's 17 HMR and Red's 22 LR.Been trying to make up my mind which calibre to go for on my ticket, both were cracking rounds that did a good job, in the end have decided to go for a 22 LR, much quieter and can get TONS more ammo for the cost of a box of 17 HMR! Started shooting small bottles of pop I bought down my local "ethnic shop".(this is what Im told they have to be called now.) Only 20p each so grabbed 15 of em. The 22 easily hit em @ 80 yards! Punched nice holes in them. Next Botch brought out the 17. Really blasted the bottles, blowing them in half and blasting massive holes in them. The 22 had nothing on the 17's power but both seemed fantastic. After shooting the two am going to go for a 22 LR since as a new shooter I will be able to afford to shoot ALOT more rounds and get used to it. Cant wait to fill out my forms now, going to get cracking on them tomorrow There's a nice looking winchester 9422 for sale on here somewhere just now. Only wants £140. I'd buy it tomorrow if I had a spare slot for a .22 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lloyd90 Posted September 4, 2008 Author Report Share Posted September 4, 2008 RedThunder has his 22 LR for sale, the one I just used. Its a Browning T-bolt, Straight pull rifle, has a sling and a stunning scope. Asking a nice price for it aswell. So already sorted for a gun and scope just need to get my ticket sorted (first thing tomorrow) and as soon as I get my ticket I'll be sorted Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njc110381 Posted September 4, 2008 Report Share Posted September 4, 2008 Do yourself a favour and ask for both of them, and don't forget to add + moderator after each rifle You don't have to buy a HMR, but it's nice to have the option. Just tell the FEO you need the .22lr when you need to be quiet and the HMR to extend the range once the bunnies get nervous. It's very easy to hit a pop bottle at 80 yards. What you should have done is chucked the bottle out to a range you didn't know for certain and then tried to hit it with the first shot. That is more like rabbit shooting, and I find it hard work with a .22lr especially in the dark! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lloyd90 Posted September 4, 2008 Author Report Share Posted September 4, 2008 I would put down both BUT it says if you dont buy one in "due time" they revoke it from your ticket. Thing is they dont say what "due time" is exactly. Yes Njc I do see where your coming from. Although with the 22 LR ammo being so cheap I can afford to spend ALOT of time shooting where as with a 17 HMR I couldnt afford to shoot so much all the time. Being able to shoot so much will help you know how far the rabbit is because you have experience and have fired your rifle many times before, with a HMR you just aim on and shoot, that's nice to have but seems too easy lol. The 17 HMR is still a brilliant round mind. Just filled out my form a minute ago now will go tomorrow to get my countersigns to sign it and get my land sorted. Redthunder sorted me out with some land so I should be in there How long you reckon they'll take ? Forms will most probally be filled out and posted tomorrow, already been granted a SGC and the land I have lined up is already cleared for 22 LR (one is cleared for Redthunders 243) so that should be no problem at all! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evilv Posted September 4, 2008 Report Share Posted September 4, 2008 Do yourself a favour and ask for both of them, and don't forget to add + moderator after each rifle You don't have to buy a HMR, but it's nice to have the option. Just tell the FEO you need the .22lr when you need to be quiet and the HMR to extend the range once the bunnies get nervous. It's very easy to hit a pop bottle at 80 yards. What you should have done is chucked the bottle out to a range you didn't know for certain and then tried to hit it with the first shot. That is more like rabbit shooting, and I find it hard work with a .22lr especially in the dark! And make sure you ask for expanding ammo too. If it ain't on your certificate, you can't buy it. God knows why that stupid ammendment was brought in, but it was. When I started out you just bought whatever ammo you liked in the caliber on the cert. It's an offense now even to possess an expanding bullet in a caliber not on your cert - just the head I mean, not a live round. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lloyd90 Posted September 4, 2008 Author Report Share Posted September 4, 2008 (edited) What counts as "expanding ammo" in a 22 ?? Tonight I was using subsonic hollowpoints. What are the expanding ones ? Do I put them in the collumn that asks how much ammo you would like to keep/buy ?? BTW I put down to keep 600 and buy 500 since you buy in 500 round bricks! Also where do I put down + moderator ?? Cheers Edited September 4, 2008 by Bigthug87 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silver_fox Posted September 4, 2008 Report Share Posted September 4, 2008 What counts as "expanding ammo" in a 22 ?? Tonight I was using subsonic hollowpoints. What are the expanding ones ? Do I put them in the collumn that asks how much ammo you would like to keep/buy ?? BTW I put down to keep 600 and buy 500 since you buy in 500 round bricks! Also where do I put down + moderator ?? Cheers The mod counts as a separate weapon on the application form; so on one line you would put .22lr B/A Rifle, and on the next line put .22lr sound moderator (at least that's what I did for all my rifles and I now have a legal mod for each rifle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SA1Gunner Posted September 4, 2008 Report Share Posted September 4, 2008 Big T, Thats the exact same thought process I used in selecting a .22 LR but in the future, I may get a HMR, as it will give me a longer range, I agree on the ammo front aswell and the HMR doesn't half give a crack when it's fired. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lloyd90 Posted September 4, 2008 Author Report Share Posted September 4, 2008 Exactly SA1 Gunner, theres nothing to stop me from getting a HMR in the future, but for the moment being a student a nice cheap 22 LR will suffice. Cheers for the advice on the mod, where do I put down about expanding ammo ? I am to assume this covers CCI stinger ammo and the such! Cheers thug Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave-G Posted September 5, 2008 Report Share Posted September 5, 2008 If you request a 17HMR and sound mod for it at the outset, but later decide not to buy it then there's nothing lost. I think you get something like a year or more unless your ticket goes in for a variation. If you don't request it, it will make things more complicated in getting one later - not to mention another £26. That also makes it much easier if you decide to part exchange the .22LR for a 17HMR because it's already on your ticket so you don't need to request a 1 for 1 variation either. By your own admission the HMR is "just point and shoot" - which makes it inherently more forgiving on range estimation. This is a safety margin that will serve you well if you go lamping or use NV as distance is harder still to guage in the dark. You will come to learn through experience more than advice where the LR is not a good risk. Take a close look at the bunnies you shoot and wonder where that 40 grain lump of lead went - 'cos it's rarely in the bunny mate. Rimfire technology has been around for years but has been vastly improved by the emergence of this 17 grain pointed pill. I'm not saying the HMR is the answer to all our needs but it is definitely a welcome advance in rimfire's safety at significantly less cost than C/F. I missed a freestanding shot at a bunny one night (it was closer than I thought and I don't claim to be perfect) and I heard it hit an empty barn backstop despite there being ground behind the bunny. It stayed there for a second lower shot which went through it and again hit the backstop, so that was two ricohets in two shots. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lloyd90 Posted September 5, 2008 Author Report Share Posted September 5, 2008 (edited) I understand the richochets but aslong as your responsible and only take shots with a safe backstop you should be fine. Regardless of whether your using a 22 or 17 you should never take a shot that you dont know is totally safe! Cheers for the advice though, might put in for both, guess it couldnt hurt, dont know If i'll buy a 17 in a year although you never know it could be a good addition to the cabinet! Considering the 17 HMR ammo is expanding what do I put down on the ammo for that then ?? I put down 22 LR 600 to keep 500 to buy 17 HMR 600 to keep 500 to buy I havent made any mention of any other ammo types or anything, appreciate some help here ?? Edited September 5, 2008 by Bigthug87 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave-G Posted September 5, 2008 Report Share Posted September 5, 2008 I didn't ask for expanding ammo mate - I guess it was given as my application was for hunting rather than target maybe. Won't hurt to mention it though. Your quantities seem right assuming you live reasonably close to a supplier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave-G Posted September 5, 2008 Report Share Posted September 5, 2008 My application was for FAC air, .22lr and 17hmr. All with sound mods. So it goes like: FAC air rifle .22 (presumably) Sound moderator .22LR (you dont need to specify BA or semi auto - unless you already have one and want another type and good reason) sound moderator 17HMR Sound moderator Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldrick Posted September 5, 2008 Report Share Posted September 5, 2008 If you haven't bought the HMR by the time you put in for your renewal in five years' time, you'll lose the slot. So no need to panic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wookie Posted September 5, 2008 Report Share Posted September 5, 2008 Seriously, apply for both. Nothing ventured, nothing gained as they say. Besides, the two compliment each other very well when controlling rabbits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lloyd90 Posted September 5, 2008 Author Report Share Posted September 5, 2008 Where the hell do I put down for expanding ammo ?? lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bullet boy Posted September 5, 2008 Report Share Posted September 5, 2008 I sold my 17HMR cos i went onto Centrefire for fox control.I definately kept my 22lr.Keep the 22lr for rabbits is my advice!ATB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njc110381 Posted September 5, 2008 Report Share Posted September 5, 2008 Don't worry about expanding ammo. I never put it down on my application and it was on there anyway. If your reason for owning the gun is to shoot vermin, you need expanding anyway so it's automatic. Another point to make is that if you ask for a HMR now then decide you want say a .223, you can one for one variation the HMR for the .223 free of charge. I never realised you were a student, now I see why you don't want the HMR. Take a tenner into town and you either come home with 50 HMR rounds or 50 .22lr rounds and a pack of Stella - say no more Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scout Posted September 5, 2008 Report Share Posted September 5, 2008 I have to agree with what everyone else has said. I applied for a 22lr for vermin and .17hmr for vermin. Was granted both on first application with 500 to buy and 750 to keep. I've only bought the 22 for now as cost is an issue but have put through a few thousands rounds in the last couple of months, will be going for a hmr when I can afford to feed it. I've now got loads more experience and learn something new every time I go out, so the 33 if great for build experience. Make sure you got for a mod for both. I need ask for expanding ammo but Devon and Cornwall assume if you have asked for vermin control then you need it. I need to speak to my FLO about the .17hmr for fox as it's not stated on my cert and I don't know if Devon allow it. I don't want to start the old debate about whether its suitable, just want the legal but clarified. I must say I will be asking for a 223 for fox in the near future not that I have land that is suitable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRDS Posted September 5, 2008 Report Share Posted September 5, 2008 Put in for both and buy a Quad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njc110381 Posted September 5, 2008 Report Share Posted September 5, 2008 I need to speak to my FLO about the .17hmr for fox as it's not stated on my cert and I don't know if Devon allow it. I don't want to start the old debate about whether its suitable, just want the legal but clarified. I must say I will be asking for a 223 for fox in the near future not that I have land that is suitable. Almost any land is suitable. You just need to get yourself in a place where you have a good backstop, even if it means a highseat. Explain that you understand that and you should be ok. I got my 6.5x55 on 140 flat acres in between a motorway and a busy A road, you just need to talk the game properly to the FEO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markbivvy Posted September 5, 2008 Report Share Posted September 5, 2008 Where the hell do I put down for expanding ammo ?? lol as has been said if you are asking for the fac for vermin it will be granted . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lloyd90 Posted September 5, 2008 Author Report Share Posted September 5, 2008 Awesome, thanks guys Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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