David BASC Posted December 3, 2008 Report Share Posted December 3, 2008 This is the detail of the service we offer - this is exactly what your friend got I am sure. http://www.basc.org.uk/content/what_basc_members_can_exp Yes as I say domestics are an issue, and yes if the police are called you will probably have your guns taken away - imagine if the police are called to a domestic, and do not take the guns away, and then the guy shoots his wife? Big problem for the police Big problem for the shooting community The police have to act on the basis of the facts presented to them at that time and make a decision, they will, when guns are concerned, always err on the side of caution, and so would you! Now lets get back to the thread- or, if you want to pursue this line of yours start another one please. David Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC Posted December 3, 2008 Report Share Posted December 3, 2008 MC i hope your wife never accuses you of anything mate but if she dose then it will be bye bye to your guns until you prove otherwise. With regards the police they were acting on here say they do that were guns are concerned BASC were using the ill back out of this it might cost us money and we don't really need to pay we have a cop out clause. As long as I keep little percy in my trousers and don't go off chasing other women she won't have a reason to, will she. I am sure that you are not daft enough to believe that the police acted on hearsay. Someone must have made the accusation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirusman Posted December 3, 2008 Report Share Posted December 3, 2008 It is not uncommon for a domestic argument to boil over, the police to get involved and for them to take away guns – just in case. This may well be an over reaction – but this is how it is. Remember, one of the tests for firearm ownership is for you to have temperate habits! I think you will find we gave your friend advice as to what he should do to try and get his guns back himself, I think you will find that we offered to and probably did call his FLO to see if we could persuade them to give his guns back and reported back to him the outcome of our conversations. . I think you will find that we told him if he got revoked then he should appeal and we would look at funding this appeal.The way BASC handled such calls for help is clearly documented on the BASC web site on the firearms section. Of course if you want to send me detials by PM of your friends name and the date of the incident etc I will be happy to look up the file on this...I guess i will not hear from you will I? But what on earth has your post got to do with the theme of this thread? Nothing...It would be more interesting and informative and relevant to copy across or to repeat the posts off of the SACS forum from Sirusman et al than to rake up some half baked allegation on poor service from BASC and some time in the past. Remember the question on this thread is ‘SACS what is going on’ – Not ‘BASC can you please give examples of how friends or friends of friends may have been given poor service by BASC at any time in the past 100 years’ Hoping you will stick to the theme of the thread - but not holding my breath. And where may i ask did i make any such allegation,?? [/color This seems to be getting a place to make false accusations against anyone who has a different opinion,if you can not prove never say it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted December 3, 2008 Report Share Posted December 3, 2008 I await the translation into English in due course Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David BASC Posted December 3, 2008 Report Share Posted December 3, 2008 My post that you quoted S was aimed in reply to 6.5x55- I thought this was pretty clear, but evidently not! As I say, if the topic of the services offered by the BASC firearms team wants exploring, than that is great- start a new thread As for this thread - let’s stick to the title: SACS What is going on' David Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harnser Posted December 3, 2008 Report Share Posted December 3, 2008 Here we go again .The B.A.S.C. knockers are out again . David why do you bother ? . Harnser . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David BASC Posted December 3, 2008 Report Share Posted December 3, 2008 Agree, Seems interesting strategies perhaps by some of these guys – serious questions were being asked about SACS, and to be honest good answers were coming back. BUT things start to get a bit hot for SACS and then we see SACS guys diverting this thread with the old ‘my mate was let down by BASC’ routine. Kind of obvious really – but also pretty sad. If my organisation was having a crisis, and staring into a potential abyss of massive dissatisfaction, disaffiliation, calls for the CEO to stand down, etc I would want my members to flock to support the organisation, not go blitzing off attacking other organisations! David Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirusman Posted December 3, 2008 Report Share Posted December 3, 2008 At the end of the day you pay your money to who you wish and i will decide where mine goes.END OF STORY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David BASC Posted December 3, 2008 Report Share Posted December 3, 2008 Good, thats that and I agree with you 100%. Lets get back to the topic eh? David Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winchester Posted December 3, 2008 Report Share Posted December 3, 2008 (edited) I Dont want to reply to this thread but i feel i must as my name keeps poping up its only fair that i do so . 1) All the firearms people need is hear say it dont matter wheather its wright or wrong i was lock up for 11 hours on just that house searched guns gone etc. The truth dont even enter into it ,so dont any of you think it dose IT DONT I HAVE NO CRIMINAL CHARGES YET they still revoked,(those who have been privi to the whole evidance can confurm these FACTS) AS FOR SACS what can i say BASC TOLD ME they might fight and fund the revoke SACS TOLD ME THEY WOULD fight and fund it , The decision to go with SACS all be it the WRONG ONE was purley a finacial one as i had not worked for 4 months, Next thing i get is a letter from William G Law saying they had been appointed to reprisent me,I phoned Ian Clark he said yep we filled the forms in they will take it from here. Great i think O BOYS WAS I WRONG the barister was a Rosie Walsh from Queens square Bristol look her up she is still wet behind the ears abserlout rubbish, Any way I LOST THANKS TO HER THAT shot SACS 100% IN THE ****. But to rub even more salt into the wounds it was my CAR INSURANCE THAT PAYED FOR IT NOT SACS AS THEY TOLD ME tHIS IS THE LAST TIME I WILL POST ON THIS SUBJECT MAKE OF IT WHAT THE **** YOU LIKE THE TRUTH SOMETIMES HURTS PS. SACS DID NAFF ALL TO HELP ME SO GOD HELP THE OTHER ONE THERE SURPOSED TO BE HELPING Edited December 3, 2008 by winchester Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anser2 Posted December 3, 2008 Report Share Posted December 3, 2008 I can not understand what insurance has to do with SAC , BASC or any other shooting organisation. Unless you are a real miser you do not join a shooting organisation for its insurance benefits. You join to support the sport you love and undertake and any normal minded person chooses the organisation on its track record of defending our sport be it BASC , CA or SACS. Insurance is a minor fringe benefit. If any of you did choose their organisation for such a minor reason as insurance ( I can get it cheaper from my local agent if i wanted to ) look over your shoot boundary and see what is happening in the real world. We need large ,strong, well supported , well run shooting organisations to guard our sport for the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dazza Posted December 3, 2008 Report Share Posted December 3, 2008 What happened to the SACS avatars certain members had? They seem to have disappeared? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markbivvy Posted December 3, 2008 Author Report Share Posted December 3, 2008 (edited) What happened to the SACS avatars certain members had? They seem to have disappeared? its me.sorry. Edited December 3, 2008 by markbivvy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirusman Posted December 3, 2008 Report Share Posted December 3, 2008 What happened to the SACS avatars certain members had? They seem to have disappeared? Note to myself :must remember to consult you before changing my avatar or signature Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harnser Posted December 3, 2008 Report Share Posted December 3, 2008 I can not understand what insurance has to do with SAC , BASC or any other shooting organisation. Unless you are a real miser you do not join a shooting organisation for its insurance benefits. You join to support the sport you love and undertake and any normal minded person chooses the organisation on its track record of defending our sport be it BASC , CA or SACS. Insurance is a minor fringe benefit. If any of you did choose their organisation for such a minor reason as insurance ( I can get it cheaper from my local agent if i wanted to ) look over your shoot boundary and see what is happening in the real world. We need large ,strong, well supported , well run shooting organisations to guard our sport for the future. Well said anser 2 . I am with you . Harnser . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave-G Posted December 3, 2008 Report Share Posted December 3, 2008 Insurance, IMO is an essential part of membership of an organisation that supports shooting, why else would they offer it gents? I propose most members - albeit recently clearly mistaken - assumed their representataive body would look out for their members, not only in liability matters but also legal ones. Recent forum topics display the fact that some include this in their membership fees and some don't. As SACS state they do: I joined them on the gamble that I may one day need to draw down on that aspect. I also renewed with BASC as David has indicated this is a matter to be looked into due to the increasing measures and events being taken to make life difficult for shooters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David BASC Posted December 4, 2008 Report Share Posted December 4, 2008 All the market research we have ever done on members and prospective members puts insurance in the top 2 every time. But we must remember that accidents in shooting are very rare indeed, and it is far more likely that shooters will need the other help and support from their organisation much more often. On top of this, as important but not so glam are all the political and media work that goes on. Almost every month at least one government consultation will pop out that could affect your right to shoot in some way- and these have to be responded to keep shooting safe. This is very important and time consuming work, but not all that exciting to read about I guess. Perhaps it is because of this other work and support for shooting and all its related activities on the’ big picture’ front that the need for insurance as a top pick almost always alternates with the need to a strong representative organisation. Shooters and country sports people need strong, well funded, capable and professional organisations to support them and fight their corner with the media, politicians, the licensing authorities, land owners and so on.. And I think this would count for all country sports not just BASC and shooting, which is why it is always a bit of a worry when we get issues like the current SACS one blow up, it causes instability and a degree of anxiety and takes up a lot of time the management teams time, time that they thus cannot spend doing what the members pay them for. It then runs the risk of spiralling out of control. David Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anser2 Posted December 4, 2008 Report Share Posted December 4, 2008 I guess that says something about the lack of concern about the future of shooting a lot of shooters have if they only join for the insurance. For me its not even a consideration for being a member of BASC for the past 40 years. If I was that worried about insurance i would get it from my local agent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trussman Posted December 4, 2008 Report Share Posted December 4, 2008 (edited) Well, when they fell out of BASC there was SACS and now people are falling out of SACS there will be the next 4 letter abbreviation.... **** That's the next one. Edited December 4, 2008 by Trussman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webber Posted December 4, 2008 Report Share Posted December 4, 2008 Bringing the topic back on course, this makes interesting reading. webber http://sacsforum.com/index.php?showtopic=4...entry2458 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted December 4, 2008 Report Share Posted December 4, 2008 I find that if you whistle the laurel and hardy theme tune to yourself whilst reading the SACS website it all just seems to click into place Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dazza Posted December 4, 2008 Report Share Posted December 4, 2008 I find that if you whistle the laurel and hardy theme tune to yourself whilst reading the SACS website it all just seems to click into place Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webber Posted December 4, 2008 Report Share Posted December 4, 2008 Sorry Mungler, but I've just tried it, and its not quite right! But Dazzas picture would seem to sum up the situation quite well. webber Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted December 4, 2008 Report Share Posted December 4, 2008 Dresses 'n all. Dazza you are an intraweb genius. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunkield Posted December 4, 2008 Report Share Posted December 4, 2008 It is a sorry situation, but washing your dirty laundry in public is a very stupid and incredibly unprofessional thing to do. Unfortunately people remember the bad stuff more than the good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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