nickwrxstiv2 Posted December 16, 2008 Report Share Posted December 16, 2008 OK, I'm a newbie at this so I'd appriciate any help from the regular shooters on here! Where would you place your hide and decoys if you shot on this land? I've included the base map with some info on. I've then included 2 more maps with where I think I should put the hide and the decoy pigeons. Am I correct or should I change anything? Thanks! Base Map - Idea 1 - Idea 2 - You can make out where I've put the hides (against a tall hedgerow). White dots are decoy pigeons in that particular pattern. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taff Mason Posted December 16, 2008 Report Share Posted December 16, 2008 remember that the birds have to land into the wind mate, so in both those picture they would be coming from behind you. im pretty new to shooting pigeons too but i would set up right in the corner under neath the roost, facing into the fields. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malkiserow Posted December 16, 2008 Report Share Posted December 16, 2008 Hi, Can you add the flight lines accross your permission also can you add what they are feeding on/which fields ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catamong Posted December 16, 2008 Report Share Posted December 16, 2008 Is this a serious post or a Christmas joke..?? How on earth can you decide where to shoot from a photo taken 18 months ago from 5000 feet up in the air..?? Some basic advice: Shoot where the pigeons are feeding. Don't shoot where the pigeons aren't feeding. To find where the pigeons are feeding, go to the fields and look. It's that simple really. Cat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenhunter Posted December 16, 2008 Report Share Posted December 16, 2008 Hi, Can you add the flight lines accross your permission also can you add what they are feeding on/which fields ? This is very important info as which ever field they are feeding on they will have a prefered flight-line to get there. They may or may not come straight in to the feeding ground from the roosting trees so you need to know this so you can set up under this flightline. Having said that, if I were to set up in either of those positions I'd be tempted not to use the usual curve or horseshoe pattern but put them out in a patch( I call it happy decoying) between 10 and 20yds out in front of your hide. Most but not all need to be facing(ish) the wind as usual. That way they get an easy choice of direction to approach and more options of where to land and they'll still be in easy range. If you've got a rotary try it close to the hide to start with and move it up wind if neccessary till you get better results. Put at least 1 floater way out to show the way in and use it as a range marker ie about 40-45 yds out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickwrxstiv2 Posted December 16, 2008 Author Report Share Posted December 16, 2008 Here's a map with the flight lines added. The flight lines continue on to another farm that I don't have permission on. The white lines are just a guide. Thanks for the useful info Ps - If you not going to post anything useful or constructive then please don''t post at all. Please note that this post does not require a reply Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickwrxstiv2 Posted December 16, 2008 Author Report Share Posted December 16, 2008 This is very important info as which ever field they are feeding on they will have a prefered flight-line to get there.They may or may not come straight in to the feeding ground from the roosting trees so you need to know this so you can set up under this flightline. Having said that, if I were to set up in either of those positions I'd be tempted not to use the usual curve or horseshoe pattern but put them out in a patch( I call it happy decoying) between 10 and 20yds out in front of your hide. Most but not all need to be facing(ish) the wind as usual. That way they get an easy choice of direction to approach and more options of where to land and they'll still be in easy range. If you've got a rotary try it close to the hide to start with and move it up wind if neccessary till you get better results. Put at least 1 floater way out to show the way in and use it as a range marker ie about 40-45 yds out. Thaks for the useful info. Can I ask why you wouldn't use the usual horseshoe pattern? Any particular reason? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rabbithunter Posted December 16, 2008 Report Share Posted December 16, 2008 (edited) Nick i would be very carefully of shooting around the school next to the links road . Have a look here http://www.amazon.co.uk/Shooting-Pigeons-A...3665&sr=1-2 Edited December 16, 2008 by rabbithunter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
POW! Posted December 16, 2008 Report Share Posted December 16, 2008 Catamong is spot on with his observations !! All I would add is You will leasrn more if you are wrong than if you are right by the look of the land , What crops are more important , Internet shooting is a bit different to the real stuff !!! , When asked opn this topic usualy 2 words , Patience and industry !! It realy does take years , then the pigeons make you look foolish , By the looks you have an excelent chance to become a top class pigeon shooter , observation ! the rest will come naturaly in time . POW! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickwrxstiv2 Posted December 16, 2008 Author Report Share Posted December 16, 2008 Nick i would be very carefully of shooting around the school next to the links road .Have a look here http://www.amazon.co.uk/Shooting-Pigeons-A...3665&sr=1-2 Yes, I don't really go in that field for shooting for that particular reason! Also tend to stay away from the small field near where the pigeons roost as it's close to quite a main road! That's why I was after some info from the experts! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenhunter Posted December 17, 2008 Report Share Posted December 17, 2008 Thaks for the useful info. Can I ask why you wouldn't use the usual horseshoe pattern? Any particular reason? Mainly because its impossible to set your hide with your back to the wind in the classic fashion so you give them more options to come in to you. A horseshoe gives a tight area for them to land in and may not leave an adequate escape route due to proximity of the hedge/tree line. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cosd Posted December 17, 2008 Report Share Posted December 17, 2008 It might help if you state how you chose the field's to set your hide on. Looking at your flight lines it suggests that they stretch the whole length of all your fields, so pretty much any of them are an option from a flight line perspective. I would read Catamong's reply again before being offended as the advice is sound: Shoot where the pigeons are feeding. Don't shoot where the pigeons aren't feeding. To find where the pigeons are feeding, go to the fields and look. It's that simple really. In other words you set up where the birds are feeding rather than setting up under a flightline hoping they decoy. This time of year decoying is much harder, so setting up in the field where they want to feed gives you a better chance of a decent day. Watching the fields and seeing what they are feeding on will also help you recognise the woodies preference for food at this time of year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roadkill Posted December 17, 2008 Report Share Posted December 17, 2008 Here's a map with the flight lines added. The flight lines continue on to another farm that I don't have permission on. The white lines are just a guide. Thanks for the useful info Ps - If you not going to post anything useful or constructive then please don''t post at all. Please note that this post does not require a reply hes telling it how it is , the only way you will ever get a good bag is to go to the filed and observe the action and see where they are feeding and the times , then you will know where to set up the hide and what pattern to use ........ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickwrxstiv2 Posted December 17, 2008 Author Report Share Posted December 17, 2008 What is a woodies preferred meal this time of year? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roadkill Posted December 17, 2008 Report Share Posted December 17, 2008 What is a woodies preferred meal this time of year? they like to hit the winter rape at this time of year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickwrxstiv2 Posted December 17, 2008 Author Report Share Posted December 17, 2008 Thanks! Is winter rape just a cover crop? If so, the farmer shouldn't mind me putting my decoys on the crop? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garyb Posted December 17, 2008 Report Share Posted December 17, 2008 No it's not a cover crop... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickwrxstiv2 Posted December 17, 2008 Author Report Share Posted December 17, 2008 No it's not a cover crop... Thanks. When will it be harvested? I think the main field in the map (the biggest one) is winter rape. They are just shoots with a few leaves on at the minute. Is that right? Or should they not be sprouting yet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cranfield Posted December 17, 2008 Report Share Posted December 17, 2008 Rape is grown for its seeds which make rape seed oil. If the Farmer wants you to keep the pigeons off his crops, he will be prepared for you to walk into the crop to set out your decoys, but cause as little damage as possible. The pigeons prefer the smaller plant with the new shoots, which is one of the reasons they continually graze the balder areas. Once the rape flowers the birds tend to leave it alone, but will return when the pods ripen, thats when the Farmer will not want you tramping all over it, as you will spill the seed. Rape seed is harvested in early summer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrispti Posted December 17, 2008 Report Share Posted December 17, 2008 I would suggest if you would like to be shown what to look for, how to set up, patterns etc etc, then fill in your personal details especially you location, and offer a days shooting on your permission, you will gain valuable first hand tuition and the chosen tutor will get a days shooting. A picture paints a thousand words. Just an idea Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickwrxstiv2 Posted December 17, 2008 Author Report Share Posted December 17, 2008 Rape is grown for its seeds which make rape seed oil.If the Farmer wants you to keep the pigeons off his crops, he will be prepared for you to walk into the crop to set out your decoys, but cause as little damage as possible. The pigeons prefer the smaller plant with the new shoots, which is one of the reasons they continually graze the balder areas. Once the rape flowers the birds tend to leave it alone, but will return when the pods ripen, thats when the Ffarmer will not want you tramping all over it, as you will spill the seed. Rape seed is harvested in early summer. Thanks for the info! Interesting! I would suggest if you would like to be shown what to look for, how to set up, patterns etc etc, then fill in your personal details especially you location, and offer a days shooting on your permission, you will gain valuable first hand tuition and the chosen tutor will get a days shooting. A picture paints a thousand words. Just an idea Thanks! That's a good idea! I'm located near Tynemouth in the North East. I'd be happy for somebody who know's there stuff to come and help me. They'd have to supply the decoys and hide though as I haven't bought any yet! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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