hiho Posted March 10, 2009 Report Share Posted March 10, 2009 The one thing i didnt agree with was shooting deer at feeders Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fullbore Posted March 10, 2009 Report Share Posted March 10, 2009 The one thing i didnt agree with was shooting deer at feeders But decoying pigeons is alright? And different why? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeeinVA Posted March 10, 2009 Report Share Posted March 10, 2009 But decoying pigeons is alright? And different why? I agree.. if its brown its down Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blacta Posted March 10, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 10, 2009 (edited) . Edited March 5, 2010 by blacta Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fullbore Posted March 10, 2009 Report Share Posted March 10, 2009 great attitude that one..........."yeah man it brown shoot it"-(in a yank accent) fullbore do you come on this website to question people about everything they think? do us a favor leave the topic......once again thanks for your input of abuse though......great stuff that! Where was the abuse? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fullbore Posted March 10, 2009 Report Share Posted March 10, 2009 great attitude that one..........."yeah man it brown shoot it"-(in a yank accent) fullbore do you come on this website to question people about everything they think? do us a favor leave the topic......once again thanks for your input of abuse though......great stuff that! And this being a discussion forum, if the subject you raise won't stand being discussed, don't raise them. I wanted to know why he disagreed with deer being lured into a shootable position when that is obviously what is done with pigeon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubberlegs Posted March 10, 2009 Report Share Posted March 10, 2009 hang on mate im just gettin the popcorn this should be fun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fullbore Posted March 10, 2009 Report Share Posted March 10, 2009 hang on mate im just gettin the popcorn this should be fun Get me a bag and a glass of something John, ps just got a big box of ammo today, going up the Dales with your old gun tomorrow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackbart Posted March 10, 2009 Report Share Posted March 10, 2009 First time i have looked at this and as for my opinion on it.....I am going to the states next year and hope to go bow hunting if after practice i can hit a cows #### with the arrow. A lot of them deer would have fallen after a short run. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fullbore Posted March 10, 2009 Report Share Posted March 10, 2009 fullbore do you come on this website to question people about everything they think? Ye I'm noted for it, hadn't you figured that out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubberlegs Posted March 10, 2009 Report Share Posted March 10, 2009 hell mate hope it aint raining cant get my baby wet lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blacta Posted March 10, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 10, 2009 (edited) . Edited March 5, 2010 by blacta Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fullbore Posted March 10, 2009 Report Share Posted March 10, 2009 well done muppet thats why i said it.........you could be learning colours next week with that one! Wow and you call me abusive, I'll ask you nicely, kindly don't insult me again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fullbore Posted March 10, 2009 Report Share Posted March 10, 2009 Taking an animal with a bow is a far greater challenge than with a rifle. The field craft and stalking or treestand location skills are similar but shooting a rifle is realistically childsplay in comparison to shooting a bow. The number of variables with a bow is virtually endless and that is on top of the similar challenges of distance and wind. That is why it attracts people, they want more of a challenge. i have shot all sorts of species from all sorts of shooting locations and positions at distances of 3 to 300 yards with rifles but only one shot ever made my blood rush and that was a 30 yard shot at a deer with a bow. Try standing motionless for 30 seconds aiming at a deer as it passes past twigs and branches, just waiting for that instant the shot is clear, oh and dont forget you are holding back the bow, and dont torque that grip, dont tweak your release aid, don't heel the grip, dont let the bow of the drawstop, dont loose you peep/pin alignment and dont let it hear you breathe, because it is so close it will hear you as your heart pounds in you chest. For me, yes rifles offer challenges but only at long ranges where realistically you dont shoot anyway as the wind is too unpredictable to have faith in your skill on live animals. Rifles to me are about the stalking and fieldcraft, not actually shooting them because nothing will ever be as exciting as that shot with the bow, oh and I didnt mention, that first time, i never released the arrow as the deer parked itself right behind a tree, blocking its vitals but i will still never forget it. Indirectly, bow hunting has paid my wages for the last 7 years, bought every gun I now own and paid for every shooting trip I have been on. Shooting bows is now something I have to look back upon with real sadness as I am no longer physically able to do it but rifles are no problem. **** happens. Kids who haven't learnt to live and let live need to realise that if you don't accept other peoples choices in life, whether you agree with them or not, why should they accept yours? If you are involved in any shooting sport, you really shouldnt throw stones when you live in a glass house yourself eloquently put chris mate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fullbore Posted March 10, 2009 Report Share Posted March 10, 2009 great attitude that one..........."yeah man it brown shoot it"-(in a yank accent) fullbore do you come on this website to question people about everything they think? do us a favor leave the topic......once again thanks for your input of abuse though......great stuff that! Again I ask you, where was my abuse, the only person being abusive in this thread is you Toby Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blacta Posted March 11, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 11, 2009 (edited) . Edited March 5, 2010 by blacta Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fullbore Posted March 11, 2009 Report Share Posted March 11, 2009 im bored of this topic!......... I'm bored with you too, but I bet you won't go away If you are going to level accusations at people at least have the decency to back them up. Oh and Lee was NOT threatening to punch you, it was a simile, as in sticks and stones will break my bones but names will never hurt me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubberlegs Posted March 11, 2009 Report Share Posted March 11, 2009 mr fullbore just measured your group from the target sat night sit down mate it was .3400 of an inch, hows that mate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fullbore Posted March 11, 2009 Report Share Posted March 11, 2009 mr fullbore just measured your group from the target sat night sit down mate it was .3400 of an inch, hows that mate Wow, thanks mate, I'm impressed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vipa Posted February 22, 2010 Report Share Posted February 22, 2010 (edited) There is nothing wrong with bow hunting (only that it's banned here), it's sad to see so many things that are part of our heritage be banned, or the like. it was acceptable hundreds of years ago to hunt with them, i wonder what it would be like if bow hunters in the uk got up in arms to overturn the crossbow hunting ban like fox hunting, now that would be something the only thing i disagree is that you would have chavs, and wannabe rambos running about with pistol crossbows trying to shoot at anything that moved, and the mis-informed hunter (idiotic know it alls) that would use one of these £30 jobs to try and down deer with them. cheers ES Don't you just love it when a new member comes along and re-opens all the old threads everyone thought were done and dusted!!! If my memory serves me correctly (I am open to correction by any historians out there!) hunting with a bow has always been 'illegal' (for want of a better word) to anyone other than a royal in England. Although there is still a law on the statute books that states that ALL men in England must attend practice with thier longbows for 1 hour after church on a Sunday!!! I shoot compound bow (target only obviously!,) my Hoyt (vectrix) has a 50-60lb pull and on realease the tip of the arrow is carrying 100ft/lb of energy, the bows the guys in the US use for hunting are usually 90-100lb pull which will mean somewhere in the region of 160ft/lbs on release. We test fired it with a tungsten tip (effectively a broadhead without the blades) at my local 25mtr 22 range and where a 22lr disintegrates and doesnt leave a mark on the backstop, the arrow pierced the metal plate!!!! this is because of the hardness of the tip as opposed to a lead bullet. The principle of killing with a bow is totally different to that with a rifle. With a bullet, the aim is to get the bullet to stop before it exits the other side of the beast thus transferring all of the stored energy into the animal. The death is/should be caused by hydrostatic shock. Placement of shot between bullet and arrow is the same but for slightly different reasons. With a bullet you are aiming for the heart, collaterol damage around the impact site helps with the process though. With a broadheaded arrow again, the heart is the primary target but by taking a quartering shot you effectively go through both lungs in the process. Now, a broadhead is, as previously described, a tungsten tip approx 1-1.5" long and is sharply pointed. This tip will smash through bone and cartledge with little resistance. Attached to the tip are (usually) 3 triangular blades which are as sharp as a scalpel, at thier widest they are about 1" accross. Bowhunters take thier prey at 20-30 yards, the point and plades are so sharp & hard and carrying so much energy that they usually go straight though the chest cavity and embed in the ground on the other side. In the process of passing through, MASSIVE cutting damage is done, if the heart is hit, the deer or whatever will drop almost instantly, if not then both lungs will deflate instantly and fill with blood very rapidly. The animal will probably bolt (not unheard of with a high powered rifle shot) but, unable to re-inflate it's lungs and losing huge amounts of blood will very quickly lose conciousness, death will then follow quickly. OK... now to the controversial bit. Bowhunting looks cruel but.... think what you feel if you cut yourself with a razor or very sharp blade, a sensation yes, bit of a shock, maybe but no real pain. The same thing would happen with a well placed shot at close range with a broadhead, a sensation, maybe shock but probably little in the way of pain. As another poster mentioned, the bolting is caused by the sound of the bowstring not the impact of the arrow. With the adrenaline pumping and all that oxygen being used up rapidly through bolting dizziness and then unconciousness will be rapid. Now, I don't see this, potentially painless, passing out and then dying way of being killed as a bad option! If it were me, I think I would rather be shot with a broadhead than a bullet! unless it was a head shot but then headshots are a no-no in deer stalking anyway! OOER... my brain contains some really useless information!!!!! Edited February 22, 2010 by Vipa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sako751sg Posted February 22, 2010 Report Share Posted February 22, 2010 No going to bother looking at the clips,because some very deluded folks think placement is not correct just because the animal runs away.These folk should get educated a bit better,and stop and think how many pricked Pigeons,crows,geese ect ect ect they hit and dont pick up.I have plenty bow hunting dvds and vids and the people involved are very proffesional.Of course you will get muppets doing it,as can be said about the UK with guns,but in the whole they are very dedicated.Any yes,some of them do bleed out,but at the end of the day,the arrow is usually going through the vitals the same as a bullet does,and that is the aim. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddoakley Posted February 22, 2010 Report Share Posted February 22, 2010 Wow, some, shall we say 'heated discussion' on this topic. I have to say that from watching the initial clips i could see where the original post was coming from. Many of the shots look very badly placed, if my shooting was that bad i certainly wouldnt be posting it on utube(oh wait an minute i dont post on there??? maybe that says something about my shooting ) However, all of the susequent posts and information offered changed my view. The information about the way the arrowhead will damage organs etc and how quickly most of the animals will die convinces me that bow hunting, when done properly in no less humane than any ather type of hunting. I have tried using a bow, in fact i have a crossbow which is great fun, but i was useless with the bow even after several practice sessions and some coaching so i have great respect for the skill these guys have, not to mention the fieldcraft to get within range!! I really shouldnt have been so ignorant of the facts of bow hunting but once again this site has increased my knowledge aswell as entertained. ATB Edd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gottsy boy Posted February 22, 2010 Report Share Posted February 22, 2010 Boy I think hunting with air rifles sucks and doesnt kill the birds or rabbits! Glad it not allowed here! There are just way too many guys wounding squirrels, rabbits and pigeons, and then they crawl off and die in the underbush...disgusting! NTTF i shot a rabbit in the summer with the 22lr and when i skinned it found an ,22 air pellet lodged in its back end.. i think people do not do enough resurch into the sport before they dive in.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gsm1968 Posted February 22, 2010 Report Share Posted February 22, 2010 I think Vipa and sako751sq have summed it up nicely. Only one thing. All the "good" hunting talked about is with a longbow or a compound bow. Some of the posts talk about cross bows. A cross bow uses a bolt (short arrow) wich is notoriously inaccurate, as they are unstable in the air.Hunting with a crossbow is a no no. And illegal some places where bow hunting is legal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
new to the flock Posted February 22, 2010 Report Share Posted February 22, 2010 I think Vipa and sako751sq have summed it up nicely. Only one thing. All the "good" hunting talked about is with a longbow or a compound bow. Some of the posts talk about cross bows. A cross bow uses a bolt (short arrow) wich is notoriously inaccurate, as they are unstable in the air.Hunting with a crossbow is a no no. And illegal some places where bow hunting is legal. gsm, cross bows are incredably acurate! I own several and when time is put in they will shoot as tight a group as a rifle. My newest one in the Excalibur Ibex and shoots a bolt at 305 fps, has a draw weight of 175, and shoots a bolt with a minimum of 350 grains. It will split bolt after bolt if you want to go to the expence. I also own 5 recurve bows, 3 long bows, and 3 compound bows and an in the process of building horse bow. All these bows are acurate if you spend the time practising on the target, and are all inacurate if you think you can pick it up every 6 months to shoot. NTTF Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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