the_haganizer Posted April 5, 2009 Report Share Posted April 5, 2009 (edited) I have been waiting quite a while to get a chance to test the Bisley Pest Control pellets I have in .22 as when I have been shooting with them at targets they seem to drop quite a bit after 20yrds (rifle is currently zeroed @ 30yrds for Accupell pellets), so when this pigeon droped down in the garden I knew I couldn't miss the chance. The first photo shows the window from which it was shot (right hand one of the main house in the picure..) and in the second you can see the extent of the damage done by the pellet.. I haven't moved any of the feathers to make it any more impressive, and was really shocked when I saw it through the scope! The third picture you should be able to see the exit hole from the original shot, and if you look at the top of the head in the fourth then you may be able to see the extent of the second shot I took just to make sure that the bird was finished with the minimal amount of stress.. I am wondering what the internal damage of the bird will be, so will have a good look when I go and cook it! Robo Edited April 5, 2009 by the_haganizer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
activeviii Posted April 5, 2009 Report Share Posted April 5, 2009 watch the RSPCA dont catch you. what was it the guy got for allowing his son to shoot pigeons in his garden. still nice shooting, bet he will leave your lettuses alone now.hehe Phil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
libs Posted April 5, 2009 Report Share Posted April 5, 2009 Yea its a shame u had to do that after weeks of trying to put him off with CDs and scarecrows ohh well !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bullet boy Posted April 5, 2009 Report Share Posted April 5, 2009 Well Done-What rifle are you using? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeh Posted April 5, 2009 Report Share Posted April 5, 2009 Just for you intrest. What you just did, was illegal. All UK birds are protected, but, there exists the general licence. This, as written in the wildlife and countryside act (1988) says that you can shoot, and control certain species of birds for various reasons. This - is to prevent ''serious damage'' to property, foodstuffs, crops (etc), aswell as protecting public health and airspace. It is illegal, to shoot a bird, pest species or not, just because it ''is there'', this also goes for wanting to shooting it for food. Please, read up on the Wildlife and Countryside act. and don't get caught out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jerico Posted April 5, 2009 Report Share Posted April 5, 2009 He edited his post to remove the bit about protecting his crops I sent him a pm warning about the danger of incoming Monty Python quotes and he swiftly removed any material relating to juniper berrys Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hogey Posted April 6, 2009 Report Share Posted April 6, 2009 Hi Guy got a fine of 1200.00 for allowing his son to do that and I think he got a suspended jail sentence to. I would love to shoot the magies with my air rifle in my garden but if caught would likely loose SGC & FAC so not really worth it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryantidgwell Posted April 6, 2009 Report Share Posted April 6, 2009 it is very tempting to shoot birds in your back garde i often have loads of pigeon and dove in my back garden but restrain from shooting them just nice to watch some times , ill see there big brother on a field and shoot them instead Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hubbertspeak Posted April 6, 2009 Report Share Posted April 6, 2009 Just for you intrest. What you just did, was illegal. Hi Guy got a fine of 1200.00 for allowing his son to do that and I think he got a suspended jail sentence to. I would love to shoot the magies with my air rifle in my garden but if caught would likely loose SGC & FAC so not really worth it I've been thinking about this and I'd like to see the legal arguments from Hogey's quote... Is there a suggestion that, as pigeon-shooters, we have to somehow 'catch them at it' (damaging crops I mean ) in order to meet the terms of the licence? If a farmer asks us to protect his crops (I'm assuming he's already taken non-lethal precautions for the sake of this argument) are we entitled to only shoot the pigeons that have been damaging those crops? What if we successfully decoy and shoot a woodie that was 'just passing'? Surely there has to be some assumption that that woodie had been doing some damage somewhere else, or was going on to do some damage somewhere? In which case, what's the difference with the_haganizer's actions and what we do legally under the terms of the general licence? What it comes down to is the argument that all woodies do some damage to some crops at some time and it is reasonable to assume that all farmers take some non-lethal measures to protect those crops, but they are not always effective, therefore, shooting woodies must be permissable at any time or place... surely? On both my permissions (both growing winter rape, winter wheat and some fruit trees) there is very little pigeon activity at the moment (they're either on neighbouring drillings or clover), so my farmer's crops are spared; does that mean I cannot shoot them even if I successfully decoy them into range? Of course not, because the assumption is that they are doing damage to those neighbouring crops and the_haganizer has done the same thing: protecting neighbouring crops from damage whilst in the confines of his 'permission'. I rest the case for the Defence Hub. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cubix Posted April 6, 2009 Report Share Posted April 6, 2009 Don't eat a townie woodpigeon, they scoff all sorts of ****. Only eat the ones from the countyrside. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hubbertspeak Posted April 6, 2009 Report Share Posted April 6, 2009 I've found the case where the guy got fined: http://www.expressandstar.com/2009/01/06/j...on-shot-pigeon/ . It looks to me like there was more to it than just shooting a wood pigeon in your back garden - notably the humane aspect. Had he made a better job of it (like the_haganizer) he may have been able to summon-up a better defence. I might run this past BASC and see what they have to say. Hub. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryantidgwell Posted April 6, 2009 Report Share Posted April 6, 2009 well thats one exspensive pigeon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
celticwar Posted April 6, 2009 Report Share Posted April 6, 2009 Nice shooting mate. Them pigeons are such pest poo on the washing LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve_b_wales Posted April 6, 2009 Report Share Posted April 6, 2009 Nice shooting mate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bullet boy Posted April 6, 2009 Report Share Posted April 6, 2009 The Bisley Pest Control pellets are devastating at short range-again good shooting! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_haganizer Posted April 6, 2009 Author Report Share Posted April 6, 2009 Thanks to all the support, and the rifle was a Webley Raider 10. Well the thing is that my Nans's field is at the bottom of my garden, and the pigeons are on there all the time! So he was just a'wandering... and as for the townie pigeons, this'uns a real country-bumpkin! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
libs Posted April 6, 2009 Report Share Posted April 6, 2009 Glad to hear it! Still check the crop for bits of chicken nugget and fag-butts !!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_haganizer Posted April 6, 2009 Author Report Share Posted April 6, 2009 Glad to hear it! Still check the crop for bits of chicken nugget and fag-butts !!!! Haha ok, whats left of it.. lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jerico Posted April 6, 2009 Report Share Posted April 6, 2009 And never eat a fish that has sweetcorn in its gut Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David BASC Posted April 8, 2009 Report Share Posted April 8, 2009 A very important issue this- we must remember that pigeons are shot and can only be shot under the terms of the open general licence. This is very important. In this case the guy did not comply with the OGL so left himself wide open. Also, he allegedly failed to kill the animal, and left it wounded to die some time later- hence the RSPCA I suspect came in with a cruelty charge. The judges’ comments about the boy shooting are, in my opinion, purely subjective and not part of the judgement. Had he shot the bird and killed it immediately or ensured it was dead immediately after, AND when questioned he had confirmed the reasons he shot it complied with the OGL he would have been OK. David Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hubbertspeak Posted April 8, 2009 Report Share Posted April 8, 2009 Thanks for the clarification David. Should this be a sticky as a warning to all those airgunners operating in their back yards? You can shoot pigeon there, but it is only justified under the terms of the OGL: if you comply with it and can quote from it, you can avoid unnecessary unpleasantness. That goes for the rest of us too. Hub. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeh Posted April 19, 2009 Report Share Posted April 19, 2009 (edited) On both my permissions (both growing winter rape, winter wheat and some fruit trees) there is very little pigeon activity at the moment (they're either on neighbouring drillings or clover), so my farmer's crops are spared; does that mean I cannot shoot them even if I successfully decoy them into range? Of course not, because the assumption is that they are doing damage to those neighbouring crops and the_haganizer has done the same thing: protecting neighbouring crops from damage whilst in the confines of his 'permission'. I rest the case for the Defence Well - this is the where the stupid burocraucy of the general licence comes into play. What you have to understand, it that the general licenece is poorly written at best - alot of it is up to interterpation by the courts. It says you have to take both messures to prevent damage other than shooting the birds, and proof that they are causing the damage for it to be legal to shoot said speicies. You can't claim the ''might go on to cause damage'' or they ''have caused damage in the past'' but it has to be ''they are causing damage to me right now''. Futhermore you can't claim you a shooting a bird, that ''might go on to eat someone elses crops'' you HAVE to know that THIS bird is damaging the crops. This is easy to prove if he's flying above a crop of peas with wide eyes - but alot harder to prove when he's sitting on your garden fence. I'm not trying to argue you out of shooting pigeons, but rather understand why the general licence is - a bit confusing at best. Edited April 19, 2009 by Bleeh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zeb Posted April 19, 2009 Report Share Posted April 19, 2009 first off nice shooting just wondering if i were to shoot a pidgin im my mates garden who has veg growing, peas beans etc etc am i cover by the open lience ? again nice shot and im thinking about getting a box for close range's Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
libs Posted April 19, 2009 Report Share Posted April 19, 2009 shoot a pidgin !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!ITS PIGEON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! At the top of every bloody page for **** sake Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dazza Posted April 19, 2009 Report Share Posted April 19, 2009 first off nice shooting just wondering if i were to shoot a pidgin im my mates garden who has veg growing, peas beans etc etc am i cover by the open lience ? again nice shot and im thinking about getting a box for close range's a box of what? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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