gameshooter09 Posted April 13, 2009 Report Share Posted April 13, 2009 (edited) Hello, Just wondering whats the best cartridge for a 20 gauge when pigeon shooting? At the moment Im using Express light comp 21 grams, shot size 7.5 for clays. Will this be ok for pigeon and rabbit? Cheers Edited April 13, 2009 by gameshooter09 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryantidgwell Posted April 13, 2009 Report Share Posted April 13, 2009 i was using 28 g 6 they was bringing birds down Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gameshooter09 Posted April 13, 2009 Author Report Share Posted April 13, 2009 Any perticular makes that I should be lookin out for or ignoring? And what's the cost for 250? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CZ550Kevlar Posted April 13, 2009 Report Share Posted April 13, 2009 Please don`t use a 21gram 7.5 clay cartridge on pigeons, you will be amazed how tough a pigeon is, it takes quite abit of force to get through the feathers then to get enough energy into the bird itself a light clay load will not do it and you will end up with either the bird flying off in a state only to die in some little old ladies garden or a bid that will suffer badly before you can get to it, respect the quarry enough to use a decent cartridge with a good chance of a good clean kill, 28 gramme 7 can take a pigeon but at about 30 yards , personally speaking spend that little bit extra for some pigeon loads meant for the job that you know can carry out the task. Not a personal attack just trying to guide you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gameshooter09 Posted April 13, 2009 Author Report Share Posted April 13, 2009 (edited) Thank you, great advice. Edited April 13, 2009 by gameshooter09 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CZ550Kevlar Posted April 13, 2009 Report Share Posted April 13, 2009 Forgot to mention a 30gramme 6 can take a rabbit or a pieon nicely, 28gramme is viewed as being abit light for rabbits but not totally ruled out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gameshooter09 Posted April 13, 2009 Author Report Share Posted April 13, 2009 What do you think of a 28gram 6? Will that take rabbit out aswell as pigeon? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CZ550Kevlar Posted April 13, 2009 Report Share Posted April 13, 2009 Yeah you are pretty safe with a 28 gramme 6 for pigeon and rabbit. i know a few people that use them in 20 and 12 and they suit the task. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest topshot_2k Posted April 14, 2009 Report Share Posted April 14, 2009 (edited) 28g+ of #6 or #5's for pigeon and rabbits Edited April 14, 2009 by topshot_2k Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beardo Posted April 14, 2009 Report Share Posted April 14, 2009 i use Eley VIP Game 28gr No6 Fibre, works for me! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3jackwhite3 Posted April 17, 2009 Report Share Posted April 17, 2009 Well i see it as if the pattern hits the bird it will drop dosent matter about the shot me and my mates use 28gram 7 1/2 for rabbits/crows/pigeons you name it. I have brought down duck with this shot doesnt matter what make cartridge there all pretty much the same. when i say the same i mean one type of 7 1/2 will be the same as another and so on. I have seen a hare shot with 8's and dropped no problem, i know of geese been dropped with 24 gram 7 1/2. At the end of the day it doesnt matter how many grams of shot are in the cartridge its how many pellets hit it and anything kept at sensible range(35 yards tops) will drop if the pattern is put on it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CEREALTHRILLER Posted April 17, 2009 Report Share Posted April 17, 2009 I have seen a hare shot with 8's and dropped no problem, i know of geese been dropped with 24 gram 7 1/2. Anyone doing this sort of thing is a complete idiot IMO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry d Posted April 17, 2009 Report Share Posted April 17, 2009 Well said ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hodge911 Posted April 17, 2009 Report Share Posted April 17, 2009 i use eley super game 32g 6s for both. work really well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
libs Posted April 17, 2009 Report Share Posted April 17, 2009 heavier objects have more momentum and can therefore penetrate futher than an object of equal velocity but lower mass. A size 7 pellet doing ~1300 fps will not pass through as much medium as a size 5 doing ~1300 fps The amount of shot is not the issue here, if you shot a goose with any load size of 7 then it would be peppered but only sufer superficial wounds, enough to bring it down maybe but not kill it stone dead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CZ550Kevlar Posted April 17, 2009 Report Share Posted April 17, 2009 I get fedup of people coming on taking a short cut and not respecting their quarry enough that they can`t use the right tool for the right job. You are just asking for trouble shooting any animal with light loads which lets face it are more of a clay load. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferret Master Posted April 17, 2009 Report Share Posted April 17, 2009 Anyone who shoots hares and geese with clay loads are complete and utter idiots. Nuff said. I shoot a 20 bore for pigeon and rabbit and use 28g of 6's with a fibre wad. Keep the range sensible and they will do the job nicely. FM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sprinter Posted April 17, 2009 Report Share Posted April 17, 2009 I used to use 28g no6s exclusivly for woodies. However when i had a red letter day and ran low on these i used a 24g 7.5 in the first barrel ( i had to it was all i had available to me) and they were suprisingly effective consistently giving clean kills on decoying birds. The added bonuses to this discovery are that the 24g are cheaper and easier on the recoil and this made quite a difference to the way i felt after my red letter day. I suspect for this to be the case at all times you need to be on your game and put the bird in the centre of the pattern, also the birds need to be fully committed and within say 30ish yards. I wouldn't recommend shooting non decoying birds with this load, either switch the barrel selector over or leave the bird and see if it turns back in to the pattern. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yermaun Posted April 19, 2009 Report Share Posted April 19, 2009 I am not a pro pigeon shooter but have shoot thousands of woodies over the last 20 yrs or so and all have been shot using the cheapest 28 gram 7.5s trap loads using tight chokes half anf fiveeigths. acuracy is more important and through clay pigeon shooting I have learned to be able to take pigeons out to 50 yds.Its a case of clean hit or clean miss with tight chokes. A friend uses 30 gram 6s and shoots A class (me to) in SCTA and doesnt shoot any more birds than me. Confidence helps . You will never know unless you go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RossEM Posted April 19, 2009 Report Share Posted April 19, 2009 Try Hull Cartridge Three Crowns 25g 6's - I had 20 woodies with these yesterday, all clean kills. They do the job really well and with surprisingly less recoil than 28g carts. I've never used cartridges of over 28g for pigeons, and 6 shot definitely acheives more clean kills than any smaller shot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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