welshwarrior Posted April 30, 2009 Report Share Posted April 30, 2009 I've never use a 17 HMR but hear you can use it for close foxes! I've a 22LR and wouldn't even woth HV ammo want to shoot a fox with it. Can the 17 HMR be used on foxes and at what range? Why is it better the 22LR? Should I put in for 1 (my FAO said he will give it to me ) cuurently use Stinger for long range rabbit during the day and Win Sub X at night lamping and close to when I need my Mod? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest RemmySPS Posted April 30, 2009 Report Share Posted April 30, 2009 (edited) .A 22rf produces between 900 and @1500fps MV and gives between 90 and 120+ftlbs of energy at the muzzle depending on cartridge type, and will kill a fox. Whereas the .17Hmr produces 2550fps and gives @250ftlbs of energy and will kill foxes out to 100yds with a head shot and @50-60yds with a boiler room shot. Having said that I still feel that they should only be used as an opportunistic round and not as a dedicated fox round. Get a Hornet or a .222/223 for that. Edited April 30, 2009 by RemmySPS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lloyd90 Posted April 30, 2009 Report Share Posted April 30, 2009 It depends if your FEO will allow you to have a 17hmr with fox listed as a quarry you can shoot. Luckily mine did If your after some serious fox shooting go for something bigger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshwarrior Posted May 5, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 5, 2009 So is it worth me getting a 17 HMR for long range rabbits and the odd fox the walks by. FEO is happy to do it but is worth me spending the money or should I just get a 223 and be done with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Burpster Posted May 5, 2009 Report Share Posted May 5, 2009 If it s dedicated Fox rifle you're wanting then .22 c/f is the only way to go. .17HMR is not really up to the job as you cannot say wether the 1st Fox you look at is a 2kg cub or a 15kg mature monster dog, and will you be tempted if its 125yds and not the self imposed 100yd limit?. You need to be sure that your shot will kill instantly and humanely, if you're honest with yourself you cannot GUARENTEE that with .17HMR. If you want a .17HMR, get one. Dont be fooled into thinking its a 'Fox' round tho' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshwarrior Posted May 5, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 5, 2009 I'm looking for a rifle for longer range rabbits with HV rnd thought of getting another 22LR just for day shooting with stingers as at mo I have to bore sight again to use my subs at night. So do I get another 22LR or a 17 HMR and just use my 10/22 for lamping with subs. I think I will get a 223 later on when I have cash and I'm closer to West Wales. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted May 5, 2009 Report Share Posted May 5, 2009 if its as per your post that you want a gun to shoot rabbits at longer range and the occasional fox then the HMR will be fine, however if you want to go out foxing get a .22cf as said Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lloyd90 Posted May 5, 2009 Report Share Posted May 5, 2009 If it s dedicated Fox rifle you're wanting then .22 c/f is the only way to go. .17HMR is not really up to the job as you cannot say wether the 1st Fox you look at is a 2kg cub or a 15kg mature monster dog, and will you be tempted if its 125yds and not the self imposed 100yd limit?. You need to be sure that your shot will kill instantly and humanely, if you're honest with yourself you cannot GUARENTEE that with .17HMR. If you want a .17HMR, get one. Dont be fooled into thinking its a 'Fox' round tho' Yes but you cant really guarantee that a 22 CF will kill it outright. Ive seen foxes hit with 243 n almost blown in half still run on n die 50-100 yards away. If as said you want a good round for rabbits that will drop the odd fox that wanders by the 17HMR will do the job IF you want a rifle just for foxing then a 22-250, 222, 223 or a 243 are all good for the job Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Burpster Posted May 5, 2009 Report Share Posted May 5, 2009 I'm looking for a rifle for longer range rabbits with HV rnd thought of getting another 22LR just for day shooting with stingers as at mo I have to bore sight again to use my subs at night. So do I get another 22LR or a 17 HMR and just use my 10/22 for lamping with subs. I think I will get a 223 later on when I have cash and I'm closer to West Wales. Sorry.... ,missunderstood your question. get another .22lr its quieter allowing you to get more shots off. then get teh .223 for charlie..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest RemmySPS Posted May 5, 2009 Report Share Posted May 5, 2009 Yes but you cant really guarantee that a 22 CF will kill it outright. Ive seen foxes hit with 243 n almost blown in half still run on n die 50-100 yards away. I have shot quite a few foxes with my .243 using 70grn V-max, and not a single one of them has run on. They drop on the spot as though they have been hit by the hammer of Thor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lloyd90 Posted May 5, 2009 Report Share Posted May 5, 2009 I have shot quite a few foxes with my .243 using 70grn V-max, and not a single one of them has run on. They drop on the spot as though they have been hit by the hammer of Thor Yer the 243 sure does make a mess of them although if you have never seen one run on then you must be a very good shot or very lucky. Its never a nice thing to see. We quickly located the fox in this instant n found it. I put a 22lr into the back of its head just to make sure as it had crawled on wanted to be 100% it wasn't suffering But if your out enough this is something your bound to come across atleast once. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest RemmySPS Posted May 5, 2009 Report Share Posted May 5, 2009 Had it happen with a .17hmr, but never with a .243. The 70grn V-max only needs to hit the fox in the chest, and the lungs and heart are totally pulverized, so it isn’t a case of luck or even exceptionally good shooting. All you need to be able to do is hit a 4 inch area up to 200yds away, which I would assume most of us could do without too much difficulty. I have seen foxes run after being hit too far back, but never when hit in the chest with a .243 V-max bullet. I now use the .223 mainly, but still use a 55grn ballistic tipped bullet, and up to now haven’t had any runners. But then again I don’t shoot very many foxes when compared to some of you lads so perhaps I have been fortunate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lloyd90 Posted May 6, 2009 Report Share Posted May 6, 2009 Whats the 223 like mate ? I would have put in for one but hope to shoot deer in the future so went for the 243. Hopefully some day I can get both haha! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elvolcan Posted May 6, 2009 Report Share Posted May 6, 2009 I've never use a 17 HMR but hear you can use it for close foxes! I've a 22LR and wouldn't even woth HV ammo want to shoot a fox with it. Can the 17 HMR be used on foxes and at what range? Why is it better the 22LR? Should I put in for 1 (my FAO said he will give it to me ) cuurently use Stinger for long range rabbit during the day and Win Sub X at night lamping and close to when I need my Mod? Go for it, The .17HMR is a really good calibre Also CZ make some very nice ones ATB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest RemmySPS Posted May 6, 2009 Report Share Posted May 6, 2009 (edited) Whats the 223 like mate ? :o I would have put in for one but hope to shoot deer in the future so went for the 243. Hopefully some day I can get both haha! The .223 is an excellent calibre for fox, although the model I have is rather heavy so it is really more of an ambush tool rather than something you would want to carry around all day. No reason why you shouldn’t have both .243 and a .223. although you will have to see what conditions you may have put on you. Some FEOs will say that you can have a .243 for both deer and fox, but they put on a condition stating that you can shoot “fox whilst in the process of shooting deer†or some such wording. Now on the face if things this may seem a good thing……until you want to go out at night with a lamp. That’s when things start to go pear shaped, because you aren’t in the process of shooting deer…….because it’s illegal to shoot deer at night. So you can’t use your .243 to go lamping because you will be contravening the conditions on your ticket. So!, get the .243 for deer and the occasional fox (or better still both)…….BUT, also get a .223 so that you can use it as a dedicated fox rifle, BUT! With the proviso that it can also be used for Roe if one happens to turn up early one evening. I am fairly lucky in as much as I have both fox and deer on the .243 and fox on the .223. Also have fox and vermin on the two .22 Hornets I have as well, so don’t be fooled into thinking you can’t have more than one rifle to do the same job. Be up front and honest with your firearms dept and always ask, because if you don’t ask, you will never get anything. Edited May 6, 2009 by RemmySPS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshwarrior Posted May 7, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 7, 2009 So let me get this straight. I can get a 17 HMR for vermin and occasional fox (my day time gun) Keep my 10/22 with mod for vermin and lamping Get a 243 for deer and foxes and use that for lamping and stalking (I borrow a stalking rifle at the mo a 270)? I think I need to speak to my FAO if this is correct. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC Posted May 7, 2009 Report Share Posted May 7, 2009 If you have good reason and it sounds like you do you can have what you want. I would go for a mod on each rifle though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lloyd90 Posted May 7, 2009 Report Share Posted May 7, 2009 So let me get this straight. I can get a 17 HMR for vermin and occasional fox (my day time gun) Keep my 10/22 with mod for vermin and lamping Get a 243 for deer and foxes and use that for lamping and stalking (I borrow a stalking rifle at the mo a 270)? I think I need to speak to my FAO if this is correct. Yes BUT you need land with deer if you want the deer condition. Also if you dont already own a CF rifle they will probally make you nominate a mentor or tell you you gota take the DSC level 1 course ATM I have my 243 down for foxing only! So I can use it for lamping fox. Land I have does have deer on it but I haven't asked for them to added yet Once I do my DSC level 1 I will ask for deer to be added and ask if they will open up my ticket Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flytie Posted May 7, 2009 Report Share Posted May 7, 2009 also get a .223 so that you can use it as a dedicated fox rifle, BUT! With the proviso that it can also be used for Roe if one happens to turn up early one evening. Careful Remmy, you cannot use a .223 for roe in England or Wales, only in Scotland. It is legal for Muntjac and CWD in England & Wales; "A rifle having a calibre of not less than .220 " and a muzzle energy of not less than 1,356 joules (1000ft/lbs) and a soft nosed bullet weighing not less than 3.24grams (50grains). For all deer of any other species - a minimum calibre of .240 and minimum muzzle energy of 1,700 foot pounds is the legal requirement. Personally I think we should have the same regulations as Scotland as a .223 is a great tool for the job, but it's not legal. Atb, ft Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest RemmySPS Posted May 7, 2009 Report Share Posted May 7, 2009 My apologies for that, I wasn’t intending it to come out as it did, and would hope that it wasn’t thought that I was advocating taking Roe in England. Having said that I’m sure that the law has been amended to take Muntjac and CWD in England with a .223. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunkield Posted May 7, 2009 Report Share Posted May 7, 2009 Having said that I’m sure that the law has been amended to take Muntjac and CWD in England with a .223. It has. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garyb Posted May 7, 2009 Report Share Posted May 7, 2009 use a rifle of a calibre of not less than .220 inches and soft-nosed or hollow-nosed bullets weighing not less than 50 grains with a published muzzle energy of not less than 1000 foot pounds for Muntjac Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunkield Posted May 7, 2009 Report Share Posted May 7, 2009 "use a rifle of a calibre of not less than .220 inches and soft-nosed or hollow-nosed bullets weighing not less than 50 grains with a published muzzle energy of not less than 1000 foot pounds for Muntjac" That doesn't include ballistic tips, which you can also use as long as they 'expand in a predictable manner' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.