Markio Posted July 31, 2009 Report Share Posted July 31, 2009 What sort of groups would you find acceptable from a springer air rifle at 30 yards? Not had much practice with my BSA springer but i'm trying to sort that out and was having a play last night. Was happy at 20 yards, so i thought i'd move on to 30 yards for the first time, re-zero the vertical for that distance then continue practising. Well after working the scope up to my point of aim i left the scope well alone and continued to try and get some sort of groups. I was less than impressed with myself. Now, i realise i need to keep working on it but what sort of groups can i expect to get at 30 yards from a springer with a good pellet match and a decent person behind the trigger? i.e. what am i working towards that is within the realms of realism a springer air rifle? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George1990 Posted July 31, 2009 Report Share Posted July 31, 2009 (edited) Should be an inch to one and half inch group really. Use a rest and do it on a still day. You can get a cheap clip on bipod which is really useful I've found, but a cushion on a stall or something should help. Edited July 31, 2009 by George1990 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markio Posted July 31, 2009 Author Report Share Posted July 31, 2009 It was pretty still yesterday evening where i was. I was getting 1" groups, plus a few fliers. I have one of those bi-pods, makes a hell of a difference. Well i must say 1" groups doesn't sound particularly tight to me, certainly not considering bunny headshots. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gonk Posted July 31, 2009 Report Share Posted July 31, 2009 A 1" group only gives you just over a centimetre either side of the centre of your crosshairs! That's tight! How you measuring your groups? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_commoner Posted July 31, 2009 Report Share Posted July 31, 2009 1 inch group is acceptable i would argue, i am sure lots of people do better Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BSA-airgunner Posted July 31, 2009 Report Share Posted July 31, 2009 inch at 30yrds Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markio Posted July 31, 2009 Author Report Share Posted July 31, 2009 That's encouraging, thanks for the replies. Well I've double checked my target from yesterday and for the most part I seem to be within that 1". Bit more practice and and I hope to get better consistency. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colster Posted July 31, 2009 Report Share Posted July 31, 2009 (edited) What sort of groups would you find acceptable from a springer air rifle at 30 yards? Not had much practice with my BSA springer but i'm trying to sort that out and was having a play last night. Was happy at 20 yards, so i thought i'd move on to 30 yards for the first time, re-zero the vertical for that distance then continue practising. Well after working the scope up to my point of aim i left the scope well alone and continued to try and get some sort of groups. I was less than impressed with myself. Now, i realise i need to keep working on it but what sort of groups can i expect to get at 30 yards from a springer with a good pellet match and a decent person behind the trigger? i.e. what am i working towards that is within the realms of realism a springer air rifle? Just out of interest, how much did you need to change in elevation for a zero at 20yards to 30yards. I got mine zeroed at 25yards and have been missing bunnies at not much over that so decided to re-do them at 35 but couldn't really find anything to change. I decided it's just me missing. Edited July 31, 2009 by Colster Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carbonrocket Posted July 31, 2009 Report Share Posted July 31, 2009 Just out of interest, how much did you need to change in elevation for a zero at 20yards to 30yards. I got mine zeroed at 25yards and have been missing bunnies at not much over that so decided to re-do them at 35 but couldn't really find anything to change. I decided it's just me missing. Upload Chairgun2 its a good ballistics program. It can help with finding your pellet path with power and weight. Its an easy program to use and is quite useful and suprsing! After finding your results try it on a range and its an eye opener. Carbon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markio Posted August 1, 2009 Author Report Share Posted August 1, 2009 Just out of interest, how much did you need to change in elevation for a zero at 20yards to 30yards. I got mine zeroed at 25yards and have been missing bunnies at not much over that so decided to re-do them at 35 but couldn't really find anything to change. I decided it's just me missing. I found it was quite a lot, the pellets dropped 1" to 2" from 20 to 30 yards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John_R Posted August 1, 2009 Report Share Posted August 1, 2009 Just out of interest, how much did you need to change in elevation for a zero at 20yards to 30yards. I got mine zeroed at 25yards and have been missing bunnies at not much over that so decided to re-do them at 35 but couldn't really find anything to change. I decided it's just me missing. That depends on your setup and calibre. What have you got? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FarmerB Posted August 1, 2009 Report Share Posted August 1, 2009 (edited) Just out of interest, how much did you need to change in elevation for a zero at 20yards to 30yards. I got mine zeroed at 25yards and have been missing bunnies at not much over that so decided to re-do them at 35 but couldn't really find anything to change. I decided it's just me missing. Lol - know that feeling mate! Edited August 1, 2009 by FarmerB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeh Posted August 1, 2009 Report Share Posted August 1, 2009 Getting about 1.7cm with TX200 at 30 yards. (.22) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George1990 Posted August 1, 2009 Report Share Posted August 1, 2009 (edited) Just out of interest, how much did you need to change in elevation for a zero at 20yards to 30yards. I got mine zeroed at 25yards and have been missing bunnies at not much over that so decided to re-do them at 35 but couldn't really find anything to change. I decided it's just me missing. when zeroed at 20, the pellet with drop 0.96 inches so the programme says. This a .22 AA Field pellet at 11.5ft/lbs. Be better to zero at about 30. When zeroed at 30, there is a 2 inch drop out to 40 yards, so I am told. Edited August 1, 2009 by George1990 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colster Posted August 1, 2009 Report Share Posted August 1, 2009 That depends on your setup and calibre. What have you got? It's a Gamo Whisper X in .22 using RWS Superdomes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John_R Posted August 1, 2009 Report Share Posted August 1, 2009 Do you know the muzzle energy of that rifle? It is highly likely that 20 yards is right about the top of the trajectory, and by 30 yards you will indeed have dropped almost two inches from that figure. If you go to the Hawke website and download Chairgun you can run simulations of all of this, and with a correct chrono reading, and the scope height and pellet weights all put together it will graph as near as dammit the trajectory of your set-up. It will also help to choose the best zero point for own gun, the Optimum Zero. For my own .22 set-up that figure is 27 yards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smiiithy Posted August 1, 2009 Report Share Posted August 1, 2009 A few people told me a bipod on a springer is a big no-no but I found my groupings imrpoved by quite a margin when I attached my stock mounted Harris. Any thoughts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markio Posted August 1, 2009 Author Report Share Posted August 1, 2009 A few people told me a bipod on a springer is a big no-no but I found my groupings imrpoved by quite a margin when I attached my stock mounted Harris. Any thoughts? I'd heard the same but the cheap clip on barrel mount bi-pod certainly helped me immensely at 20 yards (had no practised 30 yards before using it so can't comment there). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FarmerB Posted August 1, 2009 Report Share Posted August 1, 2009 I use the cheap clip-on bipod on my springer with positive results also. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smiiithy Posted August 1, 2009 Report Share Posted August 1, 2009 (edited) Just been for a bit of target practice with my mate Eddie and we're both consistently hitting under 1 inch groups at over 30 yards using the Milbro Caledonian Dome's that came with the rifle when I bought it second hand. Better still with the RWS Superpoints. Mike Edited September 6, 2009 by smiiithy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smiiithy Posted August 11, 2009 Report Share Posted August 11, 2009 (edited) I've sold my Harris now to make more space in the gun cabinet. Were these cheapy clip on bipods the ones off eBay for about a fiver? Edited September 7, 2009 by smiiithy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HW77 Hunter Posted October 11, 2009 Report Share Posted October 11, 2009 I have hit hole on hole groups with a rested shot on a windless day at 30 yards my HW77 .22 , with crossman accupell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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