zipdog Posted August 31, 2009 Report Share Posted August 31, 2009 iv always found it difficult to check rifleing yes. . If you get a fairly new rifle that you can tell hasnt had many rounds put through it you should be fine though. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted September 1, 2009 Report Share Posted September 1, 2009 you can take a chance on a second hand .223 but a second hand .22-250 is another matter, famous for barrel wear not an issue unless you buy an ex keepers or target shooters but still something to be wary of. A good gunsmith will tell you with a bore scope the state of the rifling but of course if they're selling the gun to you then its not to be relied on. I chanced a little used .223 when i bought mine and no regrets shoots very well, I went for a remington 700 sps but with it being second hand it had a hogue stock and timney trigger plus mod fitted and I paid about the retail price of the gun new. Bargain and even better it seems to shoot well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dieseldogg Posted September 3, 2009 Report Share Posted September 3, 2009 .223 =Anschutz Wheres that dammed "bow down and worship" smiley when one needs it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubberlegs Posted September 3, 2009 Report Share Posted September 3, 2009 get a .223 and run 40grain bullets in it in real world land you aint gonna notice a lot of difference in .223 to a22-250 just less noise less recoil and longer barrel life,how far you gonna want to shoot at night also 99% of foxes you come across will be taken at less than 200yrds Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldrick Posted September 3, 2009 Report Share Posted September 3, 2009 .223=Anschutz Wheres that dammed "bow down and worship" smiley when one needs it An excellent suggestion. Has anyone on PW bought or used Anschutz's new .223? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allthegearandnoidea Posted September 3, 2009 Report Share Posted September 3, 2009 I'd also be very interested to hear anyone's experience with the anscuhtz. I have one in .22 and if the .223 is as good it will be next on my shopping list. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr_Logic Posted September 4, 2009 Report Share Posted September 4, 2009 Tikka should do the trick nicely. Personally I've never really liked the Anschutz stuff in any calibre, just personal preference, they are well made and accurate. I'd steer clear of Ruger but my reason is the trigger - much easier to tweak a Remington or Howa trigger, and a Tikka is about right out of the box (although needs to be lightened slightly). I'd back a Tikka to be more accurate. Vs. 22-250, well, yes, 22-250 is a faster round. Can't use it on a range, can't see the bullet strike (unless a good heavy rifle), costs more to load it due to powder stuff, and if using factory stuff then cheap 22-250 = hens' teeth. And here's a thing, if you really NEED the range a 22-250 will give you, why not get a 243? They do all that and are much better in the wind, and can be used on deer as well. All that said, the 22-250 is a good, accurate round. It hits nice and hard, much more so than 223. But it is noisier and that little bit rarer, and definitely more expensive. Out to 250 yards, a 223 is no issue at all, so do you need that little bit extra? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benellimelody Posted September 4, 2009 Report Share Posted September 4, 2009 Tikka with some good glass Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garyb Posted September 4, 2009 Report Share Posted September 4, 2009 RWS titan for me.. http://www.ruag.co.uk/resources/files/Titan07%20(3).pdf Whilst I admire Stealth Stalkers T3 - I didn't like the archaic safety, of simply "on or off" on a modern sporting rifle. The RWS is factory screwcut, has a 3 stage safety and an adjustable trigger. There's certainly nothing a T3 can do that one of these rifles can't Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beardo Posted September 4, 2009 Report Share Posted September 4, 2009 (edited) i'll second the Titan, fantastic quality rifle out of the box. great 3 stage safety as well more info http://www.headrooms.net/Folder_english.pdf Edited September 4, 2009 by nickbeardo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GatGun Posted September 4, 2009 Report Share Posted September 4, 2009 Most definately the tikka. Why all this talk of .22-250,243 etc. Why not just get a 50 bmg for your foxing :blink: .223 is good for 300 yards but is ideally at its best out to 250. How many foxes do you shoot past that ? If you shoot on big open fields where shots past 300 are the norm then id definately consider .22-250 but I hit just as many foxes as my mate does with his .243 where I go. Only difference is he gets to shoot deer and I dont... I also get less recoil,noise, and get to see my foxes fall over .223 is a good little calibre for medium range foxing and will make one hell of an impession compared to the .22mag. 40 grain bullets at around 3800 fps flat to around 250 yards. ( if its not blowing a hoolie ). Good selection of ammo and plenty of re-loading stuff available. Good reliable rifles the tikkas. Only thing I regret is not getting the stainless version Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glensman Posted September 4, 2009 Author Report Share Posted September 4, 2009 Most definately the tikka. Why all this talk of .22-250,243 etc. Why not just get a 50 bmg for your foxing .223 is good for 300 yards but is ideally at its best out to 250. How many foxes do you shoot past that ? If you shoot on big open fields where shots past 300 are the norm then id definately consider .22-250 but I hit just as many foxes as my mate does with his .243 where I go. Only difference is he gets to shoot deer and I dont... I also get less recoil,noise, and get to see my foxes fall over :blink: .223 is a good little calibre for medium range foxing and will make one hell of an impession compared to the .22mag. 40 grain bullets at around 3800 fps flat to around 250 yards. ( if its not blowing a hoolie ). Good selection of ammo and plenty of re-loading stuff available. Good reliable rifles the tikkas. Only thing I regret is not getting the stainless version If I buy a Tikka, and it's looking like that's what I'll go for- It'll be stainless! Don't worry about that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkeyboots Posted September 5, 2009 Report Share Posted September 5, 2009 are you buying from mcloy? he had a 223 but cant mind what make it was it was around £800, was gonna go for a 222 or 223 but a we bit out of price range for me at the min with xmas coming up, so i got a cheap hornet instead to tide me over for a while for a odd fox now and again, at least if i decide to go for a .222/223 then at least the farmer who signed my permission form yesterday already has his land 500 acres passed for a 223 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allthegearandnoidea Posted September 6, 2009 Report Share Posted September 6, 2009 Does the Tikka T3 come with a 1 in 8" twist now? My local RFD said it comes with a 1 in 12". The whole twist rate thing is getting me pretty confused, will a faster twist rate be ok with a light bullet? I know that to use a heavier bullet you need a fast twist rate but not sure if a fast twist rate is ok for a lighter bullet. Is anyone able to explain this a bit more please? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldrick Posted September 6, 2009 Report Share Posted September 6, 2009 The T3 is manufactured with a 1:8" twist, but I am not sure whether GMK imports this version. My .223 T3 had the 1:12" twist, which suited my use of 50-55gr foxing loads. The faster 1:8" twist will in theory struggle to stabilise the lighter 50-55gr bullets, as it is intended for >60gr VLD bullets. A bullet that isn't fully stabilised will 'keyhole'. However, as with all things, practice doesn't necessarily represent theory. What is the predominant use for the rifle? Target work? Foxing? Long-range varminting? Muntjac/CWD control? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allthegearandnoidea Posted September 6, 2009 Report Share Posted September 6, 2009 (edited) I want it for foxes as I recently got permission at a farm and over time hope I will get more. Realistically though it will get more use at bisley in the near future. As I only want to buy one gun that I am happy to keep forever I was hoping to get one that could be for both but the more I read the less this seems likely. What do you think would the best to go for (as a foxing gun that I can take to bisley for a bit of fun)? Edited September 6, 2009 by allthegearandnoidea Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldrick Posted September 6, 2009 Report Share Posted September 6, 2009 I have spent the last few years trying to find one rifle that does everything I need (it is impossible, one has the money to run a .300WM for everything from foxing to Plains game). If you're shooting foxes and just indulging in a spot of recreational paper-punching at Bisley, I'd steer you towards the 1:12". However, if you're likely to become fixated with the initricacies of long-range shooting, you definitely need the 1:8", to take advantage of the big VLD bullets. I had the choice and opted for 1:12". You may find this link helpful: http://www.6mmbr.com/223Rem.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allthegearandnoidea Posted September 6, 2009 Report Share Posted September 6, 2009 Thanks baldrick, looks like a 1 in 12" it is then. Just need to decide which make. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glensman Posted September 6, 2009 Author Report Share Posted September 6, 2009 are you buying from mcloy? he had a 223 but cant mind what make it was it was around £800, was gonna go for a 222 or 223 but a we bit out of price range for me at the min with xmas coming up, so i got a cheap hornet instead to tide me over for a while for a odd fox now and again, at least if i decide to go for a .222/223 then at least the farmer who signed my permission form yesterday already has his land 500 acres passed for a 223 I'll give McCloy first shout anyway cos the lads have always looked after me ok... I'm toying with the idea of doing my DSC over the winter, so I mite decide to go for something bigger... I have 2000 acres of hilly land on my cert and I would like to do a bit of deer stalking down the line- the problem is that i'm a hoarder so whatever I end up buyin I'll be keeping. I know a .223 would fulfil my fox needs, but if I decide I want to go stalking down the line i'd like to have the tool for the job... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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