Norma ammo?

[wildfowler.250]

Just wanted the general opinion on this. Got the old man to pick up some bullets for me whilst he was in town. 1 box of Norma .22-250 were £34.50 and 1 box of Norma .270 bullets were £42.99 is this the going rate or is this shop shafting us? I know .270 bullets can be expensive but I was expecting the .250 bullets to be less than that!

 

Doesn't give much incentive for range practice.

[Beretta28g]

Id say the shop is shafting you, i payed £32-50 for 20 6.5 and theyre commonly deer....

[wildfowler.250]

Cheers! I know it's a good make and not cheap but when he mentioned the price on the phone I thought he had been ripped off

[Beretta28g]

Very similar to Hornady or Winchester in my rifle. My homeloads knock the pots off it tho!!

[kent]

Either way save the brass its cracking stuff and well sought after, dealers will often charge more for that which doesn't move fast and less for stuff that flies off the shelf. To be fair that's just making a living, would you prefer they didn't stock slow selling items as they are not cost effective to them? The dealer might have had to purchase 1000 or more and that's a lot of cash to have sitting around for long, he might well sell 10x as many 22-250 and buy accordingly

[wildfowler.250]

Either way save the brass its cracking stuff and well sought after, dealers will often charge more for that which doesn't move fast and less for stuff that flies off the shelf. To be fair that's just making a living, would you prefer they didn't stock slow selling items as they are not cost effective to them? The dealer might have had to purchase 1000 or more and that's a lot of cash to have sitting around for long, he might well sell 10x as many 22-250 and buy accordingly

 

Cheers Kent I'll keep the brass,(saving up for when I eventually get into reloading). I would have thought vmax in .22-250 would be one of the more popular choices? Granted its not a .243 but its not an uncommon round.

 

Just thinking about it, 3 shots just to confirm a zero,(that's without needing any adjustments) is £6 down the drain no cheap

[kent]

Cheers Kent I'll keep the brass,(saving up for when I eventually get into reloading). I would have thought vmax in .22-250 would be one of the more popular choices? Granted its not a .243 but its not an uncommon round.

 

Just thinking about it, 3 shots just to confirm a zero,(that's without needing any adjustments) is £6 down the drain no cheap

well it largely depends on were you live but 22-250 is far more used in the uk. How much did the fuel cost to take you to the venue? .270 aint a plinking rifle so use a full box of 20 to get it zeroed and get the feel of the thing then go shoot twenty deer with the next box

[bullet boy]

I pay around £33 for a box of Norma .22-250 50gr V-Max.

[Vince Green]

Back years ago when the Kynoch brand was about all you could routinely buy somebody started importing Norma. It was clearly better than the Kynoch stuff and it soon aquired a mythical status as being top notch ammunition. People would only use Norma but part of the reason became snobbery. In reality its not sold very much in America because the Americans don't rate it that highly but when it is the prices are not significantly higher than other brands.

 

Strangely, it still has that reputation although I don't think its justified anymore but there is a thing about using it, espescially on the snobby highland estates. I doubt it shoots any better than Privi at about £14 a box in reality.

Edited March 2, 2013 by Vince Green

[pestcontrol1]

maybe not a top brand but privi are £62 per 100 and a mate uses them in 22-250 and thinks there ace but at 62p a shot its not bad.

pc1

[Redgum]

Back years ago when the Kynoch brand was about all you could routinely buy somebody started importing Norma. It was clearly better than the Kynoch stuff and it soon aquired a mythical status as being top notch ammunition. People would only use Norma but part of the reason became snobbery. In reality its not sold very much in America because the Americans don't rate it that highly but when it is the prices are not significantly higher than other brands.

 

Strangely, it still has that reputation although I don't think its justified anymore but there is a thing about using it, espescially on the snobby highland estates. I doubt it shoots any better than Privi at about £14 a box in reality.

 

I think you will find that Norma is a better quality rnd than Privi and there is a saying' you get what you pay for'. My early experiences with manufactured ammo were not good regarding ppu, was inconsistant, even the report was differant with each and every shot. My rifle liked sako or Rws, that was over 30 quid a box, I soon found that I could reload for less than a third of that price and have accurate,consistant ammo that was always in stock. But that was my exerience and many on here say that ppu shoots very well so really you have to balance what your rifle likes and what is available, until you start reloading you are governed by whats local and how accurate you want in the way of accuracy. The onlly other alternative is to hike up your allowance and stock up when you can find the ammo you require at a better price.

[kent]

Back years ago when the Kynoch brand was about all you could routinely buy somebody started importing Norma. It was clearly better than the Kynoch stuff and it soon aquired a mythical status as being top notch ammunition. People would only use Norma but part of the reason became snobbery. In reality its not sold very much in America because the Americans don't rate it that highly but when it is the prices are not significantly higher than other brands.

 

Strangely, it still has that reputation although I don't think its justified anymore but there is a thing about using it, espescially on the snobby highland estates. I doubt it shoots any better than Privi at about £14 a box in reality.

Were the heck did you get that gem from? Norma rates above Lapua in desired brass quality- its just criticised for its cost! That's all over the US benchrest forums 6mmbr etc, its also world renowned as a factory ammo producer for large and dangerous game. Privi is largely pants but it might well outshoot some people in which case they wouldn't notice any difference and extol its virtues based on it being very cheap, doubtless some guns like it, doubtless it drops a few deer and foxes.

[pestcontrol1]

I cant comment myself of factory loaded ammo as i have loaded my own for 5-6 years now but its was trial an error which shot well out of any of my rifles hence i started reloading which as has been said you as ways have some in your ammo box of the same grade.

pc1

[Archie-fox]

sorry to de-rail this thread a little but norma rounds in 223 would people reccomend soft point or ballistic tip for foxing?

[kent]

sorry to de-rail this thread a little but norma rounds in 223 would people reccomend soft point or ballistic tip for foxing?

The outwards look of a bullet means little " ballistic tip" is a trade mark of Nosler and taken in general most just think polymer tipped, "Soft point" is just an exposed lead tip. Either bullet type can be of fast fragmenting or slower expanding type, it depends on the jacket thickness etc. how they behave and impact speed. Generally its quite hard to pick a bullet unsuited to fox in the .223 rem, check out bullet manufacturrs web sites for further guidence

[al4x]

sorry to de-rail this thread a little but norma rounds in 223 would people reccomend soft point or ballistic tip for foxing?

 

Ballistic tip every time with the Norma ammo for foxes used to be great stuff through mine

[bullet boy]

Norma ammo isn't cheap but I swear by these V-Max ballistic tips.

[Archie-fox]

 

The outwards look of a bullet means little " ballistic tip" is a trade mark of Nosler and taken in general most just think polymer tipped, "Soft point" is just an exposed lead tip. Either bullet type can be of fast fragmenting or slower expanding type, it depends on the jacket thickness etc. how they behave and impact speed. Generally its quite hard to pick a bullet unsuited to fox in the .223 rem, check out bullet manufacturrs web sites for further guidence

 

Thanks guys..

 

im useing sako arrow head at the moment but was thinking if i get to go after some munty in the near futcher are the ballistic tips suitable or when i run out of the sako should i re zero with norma soft points and stick with that for fox and munty...

[al4x]

I'd go soft points for munty the vmax tend to expand well a bit too well I've had punctured rumens before changing back to soft points

[wildfowler.250]

Cheers for the replies. I used to use hornady vmax bullets in the .223 so i might give them a bash,(if they are cheaper) and see if they are any good. My biggest grudge is forking out £35 to shoot at paper and on top of that they might not even be that accurate in your gun

[Vince Green]

I think you will find that Norma is a better quality rnd than Privi and there is a saying' you get what you pay for'. My early experiences with manufactured ammo were not good regarding ppu, was inconsistant, even the report was differant with each and every shot. My rifle liked sako or Rws, that was over 30 quid a box, I soon found that I could reload for less than a third of that price and have accurate,consistant ammo that was always in stock. But that was my exerience and many on here say that ppu shoots very well so really you have to balance what your rifle likes and what is available, until you start reloading you are governed by whats local and how accurate you want in the way of accuracy. The onlly other alternative is to hike up your allowance and stock up when you can find the ammo you require at a better price.

On Wednesday I will be on the 600yds range at Bisley and I will be shooting PPU .308 Match. I have been using it for over four years now and so do the majority of the people I shoot with. If it was inconsistant I simply wouldn't use it, I don't have any brand loyalty and its not an issue of price, some of the people I shoot with are worth millions. One of the people I will be with was the Chairman and Managing Director of a blue chip Multinational Company. Thats the beauty of Bisley its egalitarian. Another man I shoot with is a Lord, but he doesn't tell anybody, I only found out when I dealt with his FAC renewal.

 

The 5.56mm boys love PPU with a passion, they will tell you its the best no matter what you are comparing it with.

 

Its is said, I don't know personally, that a lot of the European ammo manufacturers have dramatically shrunk their manufacturing operations, laid off staff and buy in a lot of the components that they used to make themselves simply because its cheaper to buy in those components than manufacture themselves. At the same time the Privi factory has expanded and is full of state of the art machinery so go figure it out.

 

I think the Northern European ammo manufacturers find themselves greatly disadvantaged by their national employment laws and rates of pay. Its one of the many ways that the EU has shot itself in the foot. When I go to Bisley I could shoot more ammo in one day than a stalker would get through in ten years. If he wants to pay £40 a box for his Norma, where is the harm? He probably pays £200+ for his boots as well for exactly the same reason.

Edited March 2, 2013 by Vince Green

[pestcontrol1]

On Wednesday I will be on the 600yds range at Bisley and I will be shooting PPU .308 Match. I have been using it for over four years now and so do the majority of the people I shoot with. If it was inconsistant I simply wouldn't use it, I don't have any brand loyalty and its not an issue of price, some of the people I shoot with are worth millions. One of the people I will be with was the Chairman and Managing Director of a blue chip Multinational Company. Thats the beauty of Bisley its egalitarian.

 

The 5.56mm boys love PPU with a passion, they will tell you its the best no matter what you are comparing it with.

 

Its is said, I don't know personally, that a lot of the European ammo manufacturers have dramatically shrunk their manufacturing operations, laid off staff and buy in a lot of the components that they used to make themselves simply because its cheaper to buy in those components than manufacture themselves. At the same time the Privi factory has expanded and is full of state of the art machinery so go figure it out.

 

I think the

Vince what price are you paying for the .308 match as i think i will be tring some in my new rifle

pc1

[Vince Green]

Vince what price are you paying for the .308 match as i think i will be tring some in my new rifle

pc1

 

Peter Lawman lists .308 Match as £60 / 100 thats 168grn but he also lists 175grn 'ordinary' .308 as £45 / 100 and you may not notice any difference depending on your twist. I don't buy from Peter though generally. I buy from this man

 

http://www.tfsa.co.uk/index.html

 

He's about 5 miles north of Bisley but on my way, his prices are about the same as Peter more or less. He also used to sell CCI Blazer .22 for £19.95 a brick but not recently. There is also a dealer who gets down to Bisley for all the big events who often sits in a tent outside. If he is there I zoom in on him because he is very cheap, I buy ammo, powder primers or whatever. His name is Ian and his company is ITL shooting supplies

 

www.itlshootingsupplies.co.uk

Edited March 2, 2013 by Vince Green

[pestcontrol1]

Cheers for that vince i will have a look now

[deputy dog]

I use Noma 75grain V Max in .243 flavour an my rifle loves them, but the fox don't. May not be cheap at £25 for 20 but i'm happy with them

so will stick with them. Brass is very good to and i keep all my fired carts ready for when i start my reloading.

 

DD