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I have a 10 year garantee on my extrema.

Oh no absolutely no point at all, What is that saying? Oh yes "To fail first you have to try" or " You cannot lose if you throw the race" What the key risks are? I suggest you start reading as these have been public knowledge for years. The ban on shooting wildfowl only came into effect in 1999. How much longer do you need? So BlaserF3 was right, sweet FA is being done. Just because the LAG is in "Risk assesment" stage do you think that organisations like the peregrine fund and the RSPB are sitting back and thinking the same? If you do you are very naive. There isn't going to be any updates if you won't answer the questions put to you. Or did you just join up to have a virtual punch up with DavidBASC?

I disagree completely with you, If you provide an excellent service and one that is better than all your competitors than you can charge a higher price. People with any sense will always take service over price. You can buy shooting insurance on the net for £20, but don't expect them to help you out when your renewal comes up or the police are being arkward.

That is an excess though not an exclusion. It doesn't say that they won't pay, it just means you have to find the first 1K. I don't think I have ever had an insurance policy that doesn't have an excess. I really don't see why your pricked pheasant incident wouldn't have been covered.

David, I have never read the BASC policy as I feel there is no need to. However are there any exclusions that we as shooters should be aware of?

You would be a fool to go with anyone other than BASC

Kes, I pay less for BASC membership a year than the CA charge, how can you say they charge too much? Have you never had help from them? BASC are second to none when it comes to help and support, but you pay your money and take your choice and it won't be until you need them you will find out how good they are. Why take a chance with anyone else?

And that is the truth, Well, A lot is being done to try and get rid of lead shot, nothing is being done to defend it's use.

The problem is Terry, The lead shot issue is happening now. The shooting organisations should be researching and refuting the evidence NOW. There is not time to think about things, The peregrine fund and not sitting around having a think, they are acting now and researching the hazards and dangers of lead. If you read the minutes of the LAG all it consists of is people not turning up to meetings and not doing what they are supposed to be doing. Our anti shooting opponents do not stop, they will keep on pushing the message until enough people listen and shooters suffer. The biggest mountain I see that needs to be climbed is the issue of alternatives, the lead ban is on it's way and steel works. There is no doubt about that. I have been using it for nearly a decade and while the early stuff was awful the latest releases from Remington and Gamebore does the job. The way I see it is lead is a toxin, it has been banned from every other product and now we have an alternative. That is why I am asking what is being done to counter the evidence that is being presented.

I am quite you have mentioned the peregrine fund. Have you seen the ammount of research they have done? Have you seen the ammount of scientific evidence they have? The RSPB will be doing exactly the same thing, and where are the shooting organisations? They all have their heads up their arrises saying that they are against the banning of lead. Like it or not the evidence and research from the US WILL be used and will be taken notice of. Why? Because noone is doing anything to stop the flow. You have Gamebore wheeling out Goerge Digweed telling us all how good steel is. Yet they haven't answered my question as to whether he uses it through choice and did he use it to win any of his World Titles? Lead shot was banned for shooting wildfowl. Wildfowling is probably a minority when it caome to spent shot laying around. Game and clay shooters deposit tons and tons of the stuff every day. The ban is on it's way unless the shooting organisations start defending it correctly. Instead of just saying we are against it. Start researching into the pros of using it, instead of supporting the use of the "Alternatives"

I shoot from 300 yards to 1000 yards with the 7.62 and yes they are dedicated target rifles, TR is shot with open aperture sights. The NRA would be your best port of call as there is literally hundreds of disciplines each using different calibres and ranges etc etc.

So get off the fence and stop answering questions like a politician, What are the CA doing to fight the evidence being presented? I suggest that if you think there isn't compelling evidence against lead shot then you have not read anything on the subject. Lead, like it or not is a toxin. This has been proved time and time again. Are you telling me that noone has died from lead poisoning? Did they just remove lead from paint for the hell of it? Maybe they stopped using lead pipes because they were heavy and plumbers were getting backache? Maybe they even banned the use of solder containing lead for plumbing works because the is a r in the word Friday? To say that what happens in the US does not effect us is about as blinkered as they come. The whole lead ban for wildfowl was based around this evidence and it will be used again. I suggest that you wake up and smell the coffee. So as you have failed to answer the question Dr Taylor I will ask it again, WHAT IS THE CA DOING TO FIGHT THE EVIDENCE BEING PRESENTED AGAINST LEAD SHOT AND WHAT RESEARCH ARE THE CA FUNDING? You could alway be honest and say that you aren't doing anything and you have no defence. I for one would give you more respect for doing so. Al4x, The CA statement is almost exactly the same as the BASC one but this thread was started about the CA and how they are so good at supporting shooting. I for one haven't seen any evidence of that in 25+ years.

Well seeing as though you will have to do that anyway you may as well have a go.

That is all well and good, I believe that lead shot should not be banned but I don't have the scientific research to back anything up or fight against the RSPB etc. It seems that nor do the CA, which is why I asked the question. Seems to me that they have rolled over already "The Alliance has always said that if incontrovertible and peer-reviewed UK evidence of relevant environmental and health problems were to emerge, we would of course all act responsibly in seeking the adoption of high quality non-toxic humane and affordable alternatives. Until such time the status quo should prevail."

Depends how accurate you are. What is the worst that can happen?

Depends what you mean by competitive shooting? I shoot Target Rifle (TR) and the only calibre is 7.62 x 51mm as all competitions you are issued ammunition and you have to use what you are given. Homeloading is not allowed. F class and the other disciplines tend to be more flexible.

OK, Firstly can you honestly answer where the CA stand on the lead shot issue and what research are they doing to argue against the RSPB and all the others who want to see lead banned for use in ammunition?

You don't say whether teh CA have an issue with the shooting of foxes though do you? I wait with baited breath for your new thread.

Maybe then as Shooting campaigns manager you could tell us what it is exactly you do for shooters? The CA (BFSS) always has been dead set against the shooting of foxes as you want to chase them all over the countryside on horseback. Or are you just a glorified fundraiser?

Post the link KW

Thats because you never buy a round at Friday Club,

You need silicone cable, it is very flexible and durable. It is the copper wire that fractures

The wilkos line props are better made than the hide poles you can buy for £40 a set. If they had a spike and kicker they would be perfect.

I have access to a pattern plate so I will try them. I would think that the 9 would be slightly wider but without checking you can't tell.

Would they? A choke is designated by it's percentage of shot within a 30" dia circle. 1/4 choke is 50% of pellets within that circle so if a 7.5 has 400 pellets per ounce and a 9 has 580 then the 7.5 has 200 within that circle and 200 outside. The 9 has 290 inside so yes a denser pattern but it also has 290 outside. The question is does a 9 spread more than a 7.5 or not?