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Antrobus & District GC Tel : 01606 891 688 Blakelow CSC Higher Blakelow Farm - off A537 -Buxton Old Road Macclesfield Cheshire Tel : 01457 765 783 Byley SC Byley Lane B5081 - off Middlewich to Holmes Chaple Road Cheshire Tel : 01270 212 708 Catton Hall SG Bradley Lane Frodsham Cheshire Tel : 01928 788 295 website Cheshire & Border SC - Junc 18 M6, Middlewich turn, first farm on right - Cheshire Tel : 01606 834 775 Cloudside SG Red Lane nr Congleton Cheshire Tel : 01260 226 392 Holmes Chapel SG Tel : 01477 532 165 Mid Cheshire SG Kings Lane Byley Holmes Chapel Cheshire Tel : 01606 450 11 - no website to date - Middle Farm CPS Lower Bredbury Stockport M63 Junc 13 Tel : 0161 430 2492 website Oakley GC The Parkland Willaston Road Hooton South Wirral Cheshire Tel : 0151 336 4757 Petty Wood GC Petty Wood Farm Warmingham Lane Middlewich Cheshire Tel : 01606 496 12 South East Cheshire CC Higher Blakelow Farm Buxton Old Road Macclesfield Tel : 01782 782 574 South East Cheshire CC Newfield Farm Wimboldsley Cheshire Tel : 01782 782 574 Teal Sport UK Stanley Wood Landican Lane Storeton Bebington Wirral Merseyside Tel : 01244 383 219 Wild Boar CPC - opposite Wild Boar Inn - Wincle Macclesfield Cheshire Tel : 01260 227 247 Wing Beat SC Dunkirk Services Coal Pit Lane -last junc M56 into A557 - Cheshire Tel : 0151 356 1208 Hodnet is top class. Excellent facilities and clays. Wouldn't call it cheap, but not been for a couple of years. If you don't go regularly - go once - it's worth it.

il cacciatore - points taken. You are obviously a fan of pumps. My first shotgun as an adult, on returning to clay shooting many years ago, was a Smith and Wesson 916. It had a suffix to denote that the barrel could be removed - they made some with the barrel brazed on. I could never get the hang of pumping, although I have seen a few who could pump fast. They were just not brilliant shots. I accept they have their devotees and properly so. I have a soft spot for autos, although I don't currently own one. I only shoot clays and have seen only three or four pump actions at a clay shoot in the last 25 years.

Snakebite - that's a fair question. The genie is out of the bottle. They can't turn back the clock on an ill-judged decision. I would be happier if they said it was a mistake and would never happen again.

Webber - spot on. When you become a policeman, you swear to serve all without favour. His views, if accurately reported, are a disgrace. He should resign or be sacked. Some action should be taken against the clowns who let him do this. Maybe he is young and a bit naive. Superiors should have pointed out the error of his ways. If he is to stay, he needs reminding who pays his wages and where his loyalty lies - with everyone - not a selected few. I deal with the Police almost every day and this is not representative of the vast majority. They will be as embarassed and ashamed as I am.

NJC - 10 isn't bad. My first attempt was 7/25. I've had a fair number of straights, but never enough. Took someone shooting for the first time 15 years ago. We shot Skeet. With more than his share of coaching , he got 19/25. I just likened it to his golf "follow through". I shot a miserable 21/25. Johnny said"Just think how good I would be if I shot all the time like you". I nearly wrapped the gun round his ears. I went home, thinking about quitting. Didn't last. Now all I think is about hitting more next time. If you get one 25/25 - you can get another and another.

il cacciatore - Where do you get Mossbergs for ten a penny? - I'll take a quid's worth. What's up with them - might be common, but they are rugged. Why get a pump - only ever seen John Stafford DTL World Champion - who could shoot well with one - get an auto.

A shooting friend has a Winchester X2. Fired about 500 shots. Asking no less than £400. He's fallen in love with a Beretta Technys - mega expensive, but doesn't look any better to me.

They used to be Savage Stevens, if my memory serves. Decent make, well built, but I suspect a little older. Don't know what spares are like compared to Mossbergs, which seem plentiful. What price?

Here are a few. There is a site called "Where to Shoot" - might be useful The South West ~ Avon Huntingford Sporting Clays Middle Huntingford Farm Middle Huntingford nr Huntingford Mill Charfield Gloucestershire Tel : 01454 325 349 - no website to date - Disciplines : ESP Lady's Wood SC Mapleridge Lane Horton Chipping Sodbury- look for The High Tower - Tel : 01454 294 546 - no website to date - Disciplines : ESP Littleton Clays Oak Hill Lane Hallen Avon Tel : 01454 417 722 email : brian.pearce@omegaland.net Disciplines : ESP West Country SC West Country Water Sports Trench Lane Winterbourne Bristol Tel : 01454 773 599 - no website to date - Disciplines : ESP Weston Lodge SG Valley Road Portishead North Somerset Tel : 01275 842 225 - no website to date - Disciplines : ESP Wrington Hill SG & Blackwell Claybusters Reeves Farm Long Lane Backwell Avon Tel : 01179 521 200 - no website to date - Disciplines : ESK, DTL, ESP Yate & District GC Tel : 01179 697 152 - no website to date - FARLEIGH WOOD LTD AFFILIATED 01373 831495 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MONUMENT SPORTING GUN CLUB AFFILIATED -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Stockwood Vale Gun Club Affiliated 0117 957 0376 email us -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- WESTON LODGE SHOOTING GROUND AFFILIATED 01275 842225 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- YATE & DISTRICT GUN CLUB AFFILIATED 01179 697152 Good luck.

Webber - where is Stan's - Lyndale? Toplands Farm at Woodplumpton - decent 50 bird shoot. Skeet range. Felt wads. Good, cheap food.

Best gun I ever picked up was a Russian Vostok O/U. Nothing crude about it.

Tony Kennedy was the last importer. You can get secondhand ones. I've had a lot of guns - still have two Winchesters and a Browning - but still looking for a 30" Laurona multi. They are blacked chromed barrels on the outside - mega rust resistant and chrome inside. Very strongly made guns.

The noise - she should have expected. No sympathy whatsoever. Stray clays - that's something else. If they are sending clays on to her land, they will get closed down and rightly so. I shot at a club many years ago, whose Skeet range pellets kept rattling a local farmer's windows. The club couldn't understand his problem, which was stupid of them. They are no longer in business - I wonder why. Whether she is a crank or a bit over-sensitive, they are going to have to deal with what she says or the writing is on the wall.

Get a Laurona instead. Better built, rust resistant and cheaper than Lanber.

One of our Akitas - the fluffy 10 stone one. Not much use for retrieving or hunting, but he's ours. Now can someone tell me how to load the photo?

Use anything but D and J - felt wads. Dirtiest cartridge I have ever used, including 5000 Baikal - 20 years ago. I phoned a gun shop last week and they insisted D and J are made by Express - which they are not. They are marketed by Express and made by Rio. They are cheap - I now know why. Plastic wad shells seem very good.

If Gordon Brown becomes Labour leader, they can kiss the election godbye. Whatever his qualities or shortcomings, he is plainly boring. Voters will switch off. I am still not convinced he will win the party over. Someone will emerge to leave Brown even more bitter.

I have two Japanese Akitas, but much as I trust them, I would never leave them with access to any adult, let alone a child. If we have children in the house, the dogs are locked out. They are fine if either my wife or myself is present, but you just wouldn't take the risk.

Rishton - £10 for 50 - best food ever. Blackpool £20 for 100. A6 Gun Club £5 per 25. Bobbin Mill and Holmfirth - same.Seems to be the average. Bolton and Shaw and Crompton cheaper.

I have friends who shoot a Benelli and a Winchester X2 - no problems with either. I have had proably ten makes of auto, including Beretta. Best made was a Fabarm. Best handling - Remington 1100.

Grahm - thanks, but they are US only - will not ship abroad.

Posting this for a friend:- Does anyone here: A) Have relatives in the states or travel to the states if the answer to either is YES I have a favour to ask... I am trying to get my hands on a couple of Benelli Gun Slips (or Gun Cases in the US) These to be precise http://www.impactguns.com/store/737618087696.html Problem is I cant seem to get anyone who will ship to the UK - Ive tried Beechwood, but they are useless - all they do are guns and some spares - no accessories So . . . . . can anyone help ?? __________________ Cheers Graham,

Try Ebay - awash with chokes in the hunting section.

The rib matters only when you are waving the gun round in the shop. Once purchased and used for shooting, you will probably never, ever notice the rib - thin or wide - ever again.

Try Ebay - they are usually awash with them.