polester Posted October 8, 2009 Report Share Posted October 8, 2009 We've got an on going argument at work at the mo. Basically one lad says you can have lead cartridges on your person along with the steel ones so long as you don't use them, and another lad says you can't carry any cartridges onto the shore except steel ones if you do you run the risk of having your liscence revoked. Who's right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted October 8, 2009 Report Share Posted October 8, 2009 you can have them on you no problem at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
borntoshoot Posted October 8, 2009 Report Share Posted October 8, 2009 but why would you take them with you if you cant use them? :blink: also if you get caught with lead how can you prove you havnt or are not going to use them... if i were you i would just leave them at home. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heladoxa Posted October 8, 2009 Report Share Posted October 8, 2009 For a definitive answer get the first lad to go along the shore with both lead and steel cartridges, and then inform the police. Then you will know one way or the other in real life, rather than speculation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexr Posted October 8, 2009 Report Share Posted October 8, 2009 :blink: that makes a lot of sence. OK there is nothing to stop you carrying them onto the foreshore but if you have no intention to use them, why have you got them. Also the potential for accidental use would concern me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mayfly36 Posted October 8, 2009 Report Share Posted October 8, 2009 You can carry both, you could be walking inland after shooting shorelines and use lead shot. Theirs no law saying you cannot carry lead shot while in wetland ares. The law only states you cant use lead shot, in the designated areas, so i wouldn't worry about it. :blink: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George1990 Posted October 8, 2009 Report Share Posted October 8, 2009 Prove it :blink: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted October 8, 2009 Report Share Posted October 8, 2009 For a definitive answer get the first lad to go along the shore with both lead and steel cartridges, and then inform the police. Then you will know one way or the other in real life, rather than speculation. I'd happily do so, its the same as if you go shooting ducks inland, we've got a few bits where we do a few pheasant drives then move onto ducks on a lake, so you have to have both cartridges with you. Odds are if you called the police they wouldn't know what you were meant to be using anyway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted October 8, 2009 Report Share Posted October 8, 2009 (edited) More to the point, has anyone ever been officially inspected? By this, I guess the only people with the power to force you to turn out your pockets would be the police. I haven't met a policeman yet who (1) would give a monkeys and (2) know the difference between lead, bismuth and steel. Edited October 8, 2009 by Mungler Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harnser Posted October 8, 2009 Report Share Posted October 8, 2009 (edited) What a load of old horlicks . I can walk through the city of norwich with a pocket full of money but I dont have to spend it ,I can walk into a local pup with a fag in my mouth and as long as I dont light it up ,no problems . And as mungler says ,who gives a toss ? Harnser . Edited October 8, 2009 by Harnser Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starlight32 Posted October 8, 2009 Report Share Posted October 8, 2009 The confusion comes in because many wildfowling clubs prohibit the carrying of lead shot on any of their shooting grounds, and this is where lines are crossed. The truth of the matter is it actually the quarry which you cannot shoot at with lead. Case scenario, you are shooting a flight pond for duck and shooting at wildfowl then you use non-toxic However if a pigeon flew over it would be quite legitimate to shoot it over that pond with lead. However the ball games changes when it comes to specific wetland shooting areas such as a SSSI (Site of special scientific interest) as then it most cases the use of lead shot over above or nearby that area is prohibited. The policing of the non toxic use rests with Natural England and enforcement upon discovery is by the local police authority. It is interesting to know that since the lead shot ban came in, and to the best of my knowledge there has not been one single prosecution in the UK. I myself have never been checked or even asked since the ban came in-It is at the end of the day a very difficult law to enforce in this country. Go to America or canada then it is a different story all together-There are very tenacious wildlife departments in both countries who field mean sucker game wardens out into the shooting areas who check for all manners of breaches of the hunting laws. Get caught with lead in your pocket or in your gun and you are looking at a fine of possibly thousands of dollars or at worst a complete ban on hunting for life-Which to an American I sure would be like death itself? The game wardens have actually more powers than the police I am told? Prehaps Lee may be able to confirm? However that is by no means to say that there is nothing going on regarding it......There have been checks over the last few seasons at game dealers to check for lead shot in killed birds, this I imagine is to build up a picture for the total ban of lead all together. So my advice to anyone is if you wish to keep using lead on pigeons and rabbits, then make sure you use non toxic at wildfowl.................. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
codling99 Posted October 8, 2009 Report Share Posted October 8, 2009 sorry to hijack a bit,but can you shoot a duck or goose over land,eg.stubble, with lead carts??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeeinVA Posted October 8, 2009 Report Share Posted October 8, 2009 The non-toxic ban hit us in 1991 and there was much grumbling as steel did not have the mass for the k.e. that is needed to hunt water fowl.. Lead shot cant be anywhere on your person while duck or goose hunting. If caught you may lose your guns, boat, etc.. Nominal fee is $ 25.00 per lead shot shell found.. And we are not allowed more than three shells in a gun, and all our water fowl are regulated by limits. There is a green movenment here where many are using steel for everything else. Bismuth has been created to fill the void of the lead, but my god they are expensive.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RossEM Posted October 8, 2009 Report Share Posted October 8, 2009 I personally carry a couple of lead'uns for seafoxes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RossEM Posted October 8, 2009 Report Share Posted October 8, 2009 The law is an ***. Should've been non-toxic on shore/wetlands/lakes etc and lead anywhere else, no matter what the quarry is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
utectok Posted October 8, 2009 Report Share Posted October 8, 2009 sorry to hijack a bit,but can you shoot a duck or goose over land,eg.stubble, with lead carts??? so far as I know Scotland yes england no irealand don't know Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delbert Posted October 8, 2009 Report Share Posted October 8, 2009 As an angler of many years can I remind everyone of the split shot ban implemented to protect wildfowl from ingestion of lead. When the 'scientific' evidence was produced to support the ban it was unequivocal the only shot ingested was from angling weights no shooting shot whatsover was found. We have another ban now which contradicts all that evidence so on that basis somebody has been telling huge porkies somebody tell me which organisation supported both bans? and produced evidence to support the claims made. and which fool drew the conclusion that shooting duck over a field would result in shot falling in a position where duck would be likely to ingest sufficient quantities to be harmful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anser2 Posted October 9, 2009 Report Share Posted October 9, 2009 (edited) There is some evidence that lead shot was killing waterfowl in some areas. A lot of greylag were killed on a Scotish loch , a number of whooper swans were also killed on the foreshore . Tests on duck found a number of birds had swallowed lead pellets on the Ouse washies. I suspect the main trouble is we fowlers could not see the problem , it takes 5-10 days to kill a duck and after a couple of days that duck is going to be feeling pretty sick. Its going to be the lowest bird at flight and may linger on the marsh after all its mates have flown off to roost. As a result many of these posioned duck may get shot , before they die from lead posioning. It takes just one swallowed lead pellet to kill a duck. I doubt that the problem was serious , but it was there in the lead days. However in some European countries there was a serious problem with thousands of duck dieing in southern Farnce and a few other places. The problem seems to be worse where the pellets stay on the top or just under the pond sediments. Where the mud is soft the pellets sink out of sight I do not think there was a problem. I was catching duck for ringing back in the 1980s and we got a lot of tufted and pochard in the early stages of lead posioning and had a few die in the traps ( which were huge walk in cage traps that were empted twice a day). I think they were feeding on hard bottomed gravel pits where the pellets stayed on top of the gravel bottom. I guess the reason for a blanket ban on fields as well as wetlands in England is otherwise its hard to prove where the duck were shot. There is also a secondry problem where a predator such as an otter or eagle picks up a duck with lead in it and in turn is posioned. Like everyone else I moaned like mad when the ban came in , but we have good quality steel cartridges that are almost as good as lead and some other non toxic shot like hevi shot that are far better than lead ever was. Edited October 9, 2009 by anser2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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