thurmann Posted October 17, 2009 Report Share Posted October 17, 2009 hi to you all just a quick question what is the 32gram 5s and 32 gram 4s could some tell me please thank you trev Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smig4373 Posted October 17, 2009 Report Share Posted October 17, 2009 hi to you all just a quick question what is the 32gram 5s and 32 gram 4s could some tell me please thank you trev What do you mean mate...What do you want to know...:unsure: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webber Posted October 17, 2009 Report Share Posted October 17, 2009 32gms. is the weight of the lead load. 5 & 4 are the size of the balls. 4s being bigger than 5s. webber Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
humperdingle Posted October 17, 2009 Report Share Posted October 17, 2009 32gms. is the weight of the lead load. 5 & 4 are the size of the balls. 4s being bigger than 5s. webber That pretty much sums it up... size 9 shot are very small - 2mm approx - (about 600 balls per 32 gram) Usually for close-up shooting, i.e. skeet, whereas size 1 are about 3.6mm (120 balls roughly) and are used for larger beasts in hunting - Geese or fox etc. Larger shot, i.e. "SG" are about 8.5mm, and there will only be maybe 10 balls in a 32 gram load. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thurmann Posted October 17, 2009 Author Report Share Posted October 17, 2009 thank.s lads for that info . i have been using 32grams .5 was sound but then had to drop to 32gram 4.s they did not seem to have the same power it might be me ? i dont know thanks anyhow trev Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferret Master Posted October 17, 2009 Report Share Posted October 17, 2009 The pattern will be less dense so you could be hitting your quarry with fewer pellets thus lessening the chance of multiple kill zone strikes. FM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted October 18, 2009 Report Share Posted October 18, 2009 Thurmann, hi, Was just about to post when up popped FM who's spot on. Just to amplify his point, if, say, you're using 1/2 choke, 4s will give you 20 less pellets in the central killing area than 5s. You dont say what you're shooting at but as FM rightly says, this could be your problem. If you've not heard it before, the old saying "pattern kills" remains true. Cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unclemicky Posted October 18, 2009 Report Share Posted October 18, 2009 Sorry for my ignorance is there any numbers for the gunpowder charge in different cartridges Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
v-max Posted October 18, 2009 Report Share Posted October 18, 2009 Sorry for my ignorance is there any numbers for the gunpowder charge in different cartridges No just the speed of the cartridge in fps or m. This is not aimed at you but im very worried with questions as in this thread what is the 32g 5s & 32g 4s & i cant beleave you get a SG/certifacate & its growing in my area too. I think there needs to be a basic test in the application for SG/ticket as its only time there is an accident/near miss. Then theres the case of the wildlife they go out & shoot at with no idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted October 18, 2009 Report Share Posted October 18, 2009 V-max, Hi, You may get some flack re your post, but before you do, I'd like to say thanks for saying it. You're dead right. Cheers, Phil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webber Posted October 18, 2009 Report Share Posted October 18, 2009 No just the speed of the cartridge in fps or m. This is not aimed at you but im very worried with questions as in this thread what is the 32g 5s & 32g 4s & i cant beleave you get a SG/certifacate & its growing in my area too. I think there needs to be a basic test in the application for SG/ticket as its only time there is an accident/near miss. Then theres the case of the wildlife they go out & shoot at with no idea. Lets not go there! webber Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdubya Posted October 18, 2009 Report Share Posted October 18, 2009 No just the speed of the cartridge in fps or m. This is not aimed at you but im very worried with questions as in this thread what is the 32g 5s & 32g 4s & i cant beleave you get a SG/certifacate & its growing in my area too. I think there needs to be a basic test in the application for SG/ticket as its only time there is an accident/near miss. Then theres the case of the wildlife they go out & shoot at with no idea. so you want people to be ballistic experts prior to getting an scg? bit like saying learn to ride a bike before you can buy one? never yet met the bloke born with a gun sticking out of his harris, everyone has to learn ? even YOU KW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unclemicky Posted October 18, 2009 Report Share Posted October 18, 2009 No just the speed of the cartridge in fps or m. V-max thanks for the answer it's appreciated Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
v-max Posted October 19, 2009 Report Share Posted October 19, 2009 so you want people to be ballistic experts prior to getting an scg? bit like saying learn to ride a bike before you can buy one?never yet met the bloke born with a gun sticking out of his harris, everyone has to learn ? even YOU KW I agree we all have to learn & i was taught/guided from 10yrs of age & kept kinda right & mentord. But what gets me is how people can just wake up 1 day & think i want a gun then say 6weeks later they have 1 & have absoulty no idea & go blasting. I personally feel they should do a basic test or be under condition to only be able to go out with someone. Thats how i learnt & i wasent born with a gun sticking out my harris (****). Just like an apprenticeship if you get mentord you shall learn & pick up hints & tips from your master but if you are left to get on with it & not told/showen stuff your progression is much slower. Remember at the end of the day this a gun & it is the owner/handler that is dangours not the gun so there is the massive worrie of SAFETY involved in this too & that takes time to learn in the heat of the moment as i have learnt. NO SHOT IS WORTH A LIFE AND THAT IS FACT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smiiithy Posted October 20, 2009 Report Share Posted October 20, 2009 (edited) I'm a beginner and have limited understand of the above. But without first getting the SGC and a gun I find there are very limited opportunities to learn about these kinds of things other than reading forums which can be a complete mind boggle. Some members have been very kind in offering me the possibility of some shooting once I get my first gun, be it on clays or quarry and this is how I hope to learn. Surely the best way of starting responsibly is to learn from somebody with experience, but this doesn’t mean to say they shouldn't be granted a SGC? Edited October 20, 2009 by smiiithy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George1990 Posted October 20, 2009 Report Share Posted October 20, 2009 Inclined to agree with you V-max. Of course it's not always possible to learn from experience before you get it, but there are books and lessons available. I feel that they should have a grasp of gun handling and safety before the firearms officer gives the go ahead, just by asking a few questions. I was lucky, and shot long before I applied for my own SGC, which has to be the best way of going about it, as you're with experienced company. Otherwise you get given a gun, and have to learn from mistakes - and mistakes should not happen with guns. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smiiithy Posted October 20, 2009 Report Share Posted October 20, 2009 I agree in that sense and have chosen myself to take tuition. But with reference to knowing the difference between the sizes of balls within your cartridge I see as responsible shooting and personal preference – should that prevent someone applying for the SGC? These are the sort of things that will be learned with experience. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vulpicide Posted October 20, 2009 Report Share Posted October 20, 2009 I remember when the little Ely shooters diary was read like the Bible the information it held in pocket form was staggering. I think they are still on sale if so I would recomend it to all ps there's a sneaky pencil concealed in the spine YIS :blink: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fortune82 Posted October 20, 2009 Report Share Posted October 20, 2009 I agree with V-max. I was on a shoot last year where some "new" guns were downright dangerous. I think there needs to be some sort of test of competancy / basic training that all must undertake before being granted a shotgun certificate. One of these new guns fell over whilst walking a boggy area of ground and ended up with a plug of mud in his barrels. I physically had to stop him trying to shooting the plug of mud out! I kid you not! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burntout Posted October 23, 2009 Report Share Posted October 23, 2009 Despite being in the process of getting my license I'd have to agree that some training should be mandatory. The first thing I'll be doing is booking myself in for a couple of hours of lessons over clays then no doubt asking on here if anyone would be able to join me on my permission one day for more advice and guidance. Fortunately there is alot of reading material online now a days so it's fairly easy to become an arm chair expert and I must have spend days online now reading about various guns, articles, tips and tricks, safety guides (even the home office guidance on installing the cabinet!) and countless posts on here to get me up to speed but you need to actually handle the gun and become confident with it with is where lessons come in. I've been airgun shooting for many years so am clued up on gun safety and field craft with regards to these however without researching I wouldn't have known, for example, a shotgun should always be broken before being removed from a sleeve or passed open to prove it's empty. It does surprise me many people dont do this level of research before taking up what is potentially a very dangerous sport / passtime so for these people mandatory lessons could be a life saver. No offence but I'm also surprised people with a SGC dont know more about the carts their shooting but if you dont ask you wont know Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike.ginty Posted October 25, 2009 Report Share Posted October 25, 2009 (edited) Does sound abit of a none question really you should know what cartridges your using especialy when different cartridges are used for different shooting tasks Edited October 25, 2009 by mike.ginty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike.ginty Posted October 25, 2009 Report Share Posted October 25, 2009 (edited) Hi everyone, i do think that everyone should at least have a basic knowledge of shotguns, safety and cartridges before getting a SGC, i was asked a few questions about shotgun safety and cartridges when i was interviewed by FEO, i also had shooting lessons before i applied for my SGC which helped me when getting one. There are alot of SGC holders out there with little or no shotgun knowledge or safety. saw one last week at clay ground was shooting his gun without any chokes in he wondered why he was not hitting anything and probably damaged his barrels to boot, he said he didn't think you need them in was en expensive beretta as well Edited October 25, 2009 by mike.ginty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chard Posted October 25, 2009 Report Share Posted October 25, 2009 Being helped and encouraged from age 10 is the next best thing to being born with a shotgun poking out of your harris. Not many of us get that opportunity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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