big simmo999 Posted December 7, 2009 Report Share Posted December 7, 2009 Anybody know if there is any 20g subsonic out there that comes in a size 6 with woodies the main quarry? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenhunter Posted December 8, 2009 Report Share Posted December 8, 2009 Don't think there is. I've only ever seen 30g 5# and they work just fine on pigeons so wouldn't bother looking for 6#'s. GH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry c Posted December 8, 2009 Report Share Posted December 8, 2009 Contact Saddlery & Gunrooms (Google in!) Im sure Gamebore do a 28 gram 7 White Gold, in subsonic which would good for pigeons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike.ginty Posted December 8, 2009 Report Share Posted December 8, 2009 (edited) I'm afraid gamebore don't do 20g cartridges in white gold, they do 20g low noise but not in 6's your going to be very hard pushed to find that size (6) in a subsonic and 20g as well you could try hull cartridge they have loads subsonics (chevrons) etc in 20g but in 7.5s thats what most subsonics are in mostly for newcomers to clay shooting. just wondered why you want subsonics especially for pigeon shooting there want be much recoil in 20g anyway. try looking at www.justcartridges.com Edited December 8, 2009 by mike.ginty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry c Posted December 9, 2009 Report Share Posted December 9, 2009 My bad! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big simmo999 Posted December 9, 2009 Author Report Share Posted December 9, 2009 I have some shooting that is near an old folks home (the field goes up to the garden wall). This year it's going to be peas. So rather than bang away all day and create noise I've been thinking about subsonics - there has been some good articles on them in the "Sporting Gun". I don't think a 410 would suit and a 12 is quieter - but not quiet enough - hence a 20 (but with no cartridge choice!) 7's are okay if thet are coming into the pattern nicely, but a 28g load is a bit to light Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sitsinhedges Posted December 9, 2009 Report Share Posted December 9, 2009 I have some shooting that is near an old folks home (the field goes up to the garden wall). This year it's going to be peas. So rather than bang away all day and create noise I've been thinking about subsonics - there has been some good articles on them in the "Sporting Gun". I don't think a 410 would suit and a 12 is quieter - but not quiet enough - hence a 20 (but with no cartridge choice!)7's are okay if thet are coming into the pattern nicely, but a 28g load is a bit to light Why not buy the 30g 5s already mentioned or load your own like I do Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yanibaby Posted December 9, 2009 Report Share Posted December 9, 2009 I think the closest you will get is Gamebore's 20Gauge 5 shot, 30gram called 'Hushpower' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry c Posted December 10, 2009 Report Share Posted December 10, 2009 (edited) I have some shooting that is near an old folks home (the field goes up to the garden wall). This year it's going to be peas. So rather than bang away all day and create noise I've been thinking about subsonics - there has been some good articles on them in the "Sporting Gun". I don't think a 410 would suit and a 12 is quieter - but not quiet enough - hence a 20 (but with no cartridge choice!)7's are okay if thet are coming into the pattern nicely, but a 28g load is a bit to light will fireing 30 gram loads through the 20 bore not make it just as loud as the 12?? Edited December 10, 2009 by henry c Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenhunter Posted December 10, 2009 Report Share Posted December 10, 2009 will fireing 30 gram loads through the 20 bore not make it just as loud as the 12?? No, providing they are subsonic shells they will be inaudible at less than 100meters. Load size doesn't matter, its speed that does Not 100% on this but I remember reading that the difference in killing power between ordinary shells and subs is only a matter of a few ft/lbs at 30yds and as far as I can tell the pattern from subs are pretty good too :( There really is no need to knock yourself out trying to get 6#, just get 5#, they'll be fine GH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry c Posted December 10, 2009 Report Share Posted December 10, 2009 (edited) I was just commenting on the fact that Big simmo was picking the 20 bore for being quieter. Talking from experience of using these guns and a variety of subsonic ammo, they are really not inaudiable at this distance unless shooting from really thick cover, I think the statistics for silenced shotguns are slightly missleading. They are about half as quiet as the un silenced gun, and believe me I have done a great deal of testing with them. The air pressure can also affect the noise, some days they are quieter than others. Edited December 10, 2009 by henry c Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sitsinhedges Posted December 10, 2009 Report Share Posted December 10, 2009 I was just commenting on the fact that sitsinhedges was picking the 20 bore for being quieter.Talking from experience of using these guns and a variety of subsonic ammo, they are really not inaudiable at this distance unless shooting from really thick cover, I think the statistics for silenced shotguns are slightly missleading. They are about half as quiet as the un silenced gun, and believe me I have done a great deal of testing with them. The air pressure can also affect the noise, some days they are quieter than others. was I My only criteria is that the .410 isn't man enough for realistic general shooting whereas a 20g with its 24 and 28g loads is, and 20s tend to be a bit lighter than 12s which helps when a moderator is added to the weight Its much easier to carry a number of the far smaller 20g cartridges too :( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry c Posted December 10, 2009 Report Share Posted December 10, 2009 Sorry, was Big simmo that said that, you just quoted it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrispti Posted December 10, 2009 Report Share Posted December 10, 2009 (edited) Anybody know if there is any 20g subsonic out there that comes in a size 6 with woodies the main quarry? As already stated, Gamebore ''Hushpowers'' 30g #5's, I personally have killed some of my highest pigeons using these cartridges :( Edited December 10, 2009 by chrispti Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big simmo999 Posted December 11, 2009 Author Report Share Posted December 11, 2009 Those Game bore 5's look just the job Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pigeon slayer Posted February 7, 2012 Report Share Posted February 7, 2012 Those Game bore 5's look just the job this is a grate load, i have a hushpower 20g and they are very quiet in it, its worth saying that i found the eley vip sp30 even quieter, witch is why i dont buy the hushpower ones any more. some people wont belive me, but try em and you will see Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Gould Posted February 7, 2012 Report Share Posted February 7, 2012 gamebore hunting and game 28gram 6's are realy good as well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted February 8, 2012 Report Share Posted February 8, 2012 i`d just like to throw in my tuppence of advice, reload. stick to 5s minimum in the 20gauge and 5s minimum in the 12gauge. as you are 20% down in power, (the speed) it certainly makes sense to increase the shotsize with subsonics. dont be overly concerned about the lack of pellets, if you pattern them, you can get full patterns out of most chokes. so increase your shotsize, it`ll have as much range as a #6 at 1400fps. so make it almost on par with your normal pigeon carts. dont have a heart attack because there is a 5 in the shell either, if it makes you feel anybetter, write a 6 on the side of the shell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rich1985 Posted May 24, 2014 Report Share Posted May 24, 2014 I use eley hi flyer 28grams of 5shot. They travel at 1085ftps. Brilliant cartridge, had some really great days and some silly long kills with them! I got a mossberg 500 pump action 20 bore hushpower. Try them, quiet and a good killing cartridge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted May 24, 2014 Report Share Posted May 24, 2014 the biggest prolem with reloading and hushpowers is simple. i load up a shell, bangs off at proof, thats a 28" unmolested barrel. the same shells that are made and fired in a hushpower barrel bleeds off the Pressure / gasses. and does not reach the speeds. not entirely uncommon. so in this instance adding more powder just produces more breech pressure but thats dependent on powder usage..etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aussie black duck Posted June 17, 2014 Report Share Posted June 17, 2014 (edited) the biggest prolem with reloading and hushpowers is simple. i load up a shell, bangs off at proof, thats a 28" unmolested barrel. the same shells that are made and fired in a hushpower barrel bleeds off the Pressure / gasses. and does not reach the speeds. not entirely uncommon. so in this instance adding more powder just produces more breech pressure but thats dependent on powder usage..etc. Hi Cookoff. Have you got any recipies for subsonic 20g? Preferably with 28 or 30 grams of shot, and preferably with Vectan powders and plastic wads which I have available. Regarding the above: Have you seen any chonograph figures comparing Hushpower gun with non moderated barrels? Cheers, ABD Edited June 17, 2014 by aussie black duck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted June 17, 2014 Report Share Posted June 17, 2014 Andy is the person for this. I do 12s Its easy, get a recipe that's high in pressure but low in speed. Then knock off x amount of powder to just knock the fps off, I did that with both The loads I did. Those are the easyest and cleanest sub's. I haven't compared fps from husshy an normal. But my hushpower loads are subsonic in a normally barrel. The problem with that is when people load to a chrono result, where as subsonics can go pear shaped quickly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted June 17, 2014 Report Share Posted June 17, 2014 I also suggest loading 4s for game. At 40yards Subsonic4s have just a little more energy than#6 that started at 1400fps. I can also claim that both 2s and #4 subsonics can take game cleanly. The 12gauge sub's I am looking into now use a fast powder and should be good. Cook. Pressure is the key. Pressure is always the key. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted June 17, 2014 Report Share Posted June 17, 2014 here is a load from alliant that i would persue, heres how i`d do it... find original data, that has both high pressure and low speed. it must be that relationship. 20gauge 2 3/4-in. Remington Plastic Shells (STS) 1oz shot wt. Rem 209P WAA 20F1 herco17.5grain 1oz of lead shot 17.5 grains of herco 1155fps 11,500psi now the first thing to look at is that pressure is high, thats like 500psi below the maximum. thats going to be a clean load anyway. so its a clean load for not much fps. so i would easily start by knocking off 1.5grain. that would be enough just to knock enough puff out that load. thats not far off 10% reduction in powder. i know it will pop, because the original pressure is high. and these powders can pop happily at slightly lower pressures. only this relationship will work. if you have a load where it has low ish pressures and high speed, then its going to need to take a huge amount of powder away from the load, but WILL end up blocking the barrel or having erratic variation. pressure is key, pressure is always the key. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted June 19, 2014 Report Share Posted June 19, 2014 (edited) If the hush power moderated gun bleeds of gasses through the ported barrels, would a slow non sub sonic cart become subsonic due to loss off pressure up the spout, hence the post that Eley VIP were quieter in his gun. As you say cook you get them proofed but don't achieve the same out of your gun. Friend of mine has a ou 20 bore ported along the length of the barrels and a full length silencer like a drain pipe, he stopped buying subs for his as normal classic game carts were no louder after firing. Figgy Edited June 19, 2014 by figgy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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