njc110381 Posted December 12, 2009 Report Share Posted December 12, 2009 I'm after some low powered .22lr rounds for use in the garden. Hopefully even for shooting into trees but I need to know the performance figures first! I don't have a decent air rifle and don't really want to buy one! I can get CCI CB long locally but at 720fps with a 29grn bullet these still aren't what I'd consider "tree safe". Muzzle energy from these is about 32ft-lbs but due to the bullet weight it doesn't drop off quickly enough and still carries over 12ft-lbs at 100 yards. I've stumbled across Aguila Super Colibri on the net and these would do. They shoot a 20grn bullet at 500fps which gives about 11 ft-lbs at the muzzle. Now we're talking sub legal limit air rifle power with .22 pellet weights and I'd happily fire them into a tree as long as I knew the backdrop. The trouble is I can't find a supplier in the UK, or at least not with a quick Google search anyway. Does anyone use anything similar to these or know where I can get some? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPARKIE Posted December 12, 2009 Report Share Posted December 12, 2009 i wouldnt shoot up trees with any.22lr get an airgun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dead-Eyed Duck Posted December 12, 2009 Report Share Posted December 12, 2009 Never, ever shoot a 0.22 rimmy up into trees. I've used various types of low velocity over the years, and the best was Eley 'Z'. I have no idea if these are still manufactured. All of the low velocity stuff that I have tried have showed hopeless accuracy - perhaps the rifling does not reach it's potential with the low velocities involved. Don Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlaserF3 Posted December 12, 2009 Report Share Posted December 12, 2009 I shot some of these http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.22_CB an awful lot of years ago. I do not know if anyone stocks them now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njc110381 Posted December 12, 2009 Author Report Share Posted December 12, 2009 i wouldnt shoot up trees with any.22lr get an airgun. Never, ever shoot a 0.22 rimmy up into trees. 20 grain bullet at 500fps = 11ft-lbs. Why not? It's lighter and slower than a Bisley magnum being fired from a .22 Air rifle at 12ft-lbs. I know it's drummed into us that you shouldn't fire a .22lr into the air under any circumstances, but in my head that's with standard ammunition that will come down with enough energy to hurt someone. If the energy and velocity is less than an air rifle how can it any different? Obviously still I'd need to use a little common sense as to where I'd use it, but that counts for any gun. You wouldn't fire into the air in a housing estate even with an air rifle would you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dead-Eyed Duck Posted December 12, 2009 Report Share Posted December 12, 2009 20 grain bullet at 500fps = 11ft-lbs. Why not? It's lighter and slower than a Bisley magnum being fired from a .22 Air rifle at 12ft-lbs. I know it's drummed into us that you shouldn't fire a .22lr into the air under any circumstances, but in my head that's with standard ammunition that will come down with enough energy to hurt someone. If the energy and velocity is less than an air rifle how can it any different? Obviously still I'd need to use a little common sense as to where I'd use it, but that counts for any gun. You wouldn't fire into the air in a housing estate even with an air rifle would you. If heaven forbid an accident did occur, then your technical argument would count for nothing. You would simply be seen as an irresponsible gun nut with no thoughts whatsoever for the safety of the public. You would be doing all of us a severe disservice. Don Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy. Posted December 13, 2009 Report Share Posted December 13, 2009 Tree - rimfire - garden. Might sound silly, but you can easily mix up your rounds and end up killing someone 1/4 mile down the road. Go and buy an airgun, but still check where the pellet will land. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lez325 Posted December 13, 2009 Report Share Posted December 13, 2009 Tree - rimfire - garden. Might sound silly, but you can easily mix up your rounds and end up killing someone 1/4 mile down the road. Go and buy an airgun, but still check where the pellet will land. I agree 100%- do yourself a favour buy a springer ( not the dog ) and be aware of backstop at all times- Im sure yourte a sensible type or wouldnt hold FAC - you know it makes sense Les Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiff-TRG Posted December 13, 2009 Report Share Posted December 13, 2009 Yawn, Yawn etc etc. Guys give the guy some slack! There is really no need to insult his intelligence or competency. The is nothing wrong with shooting sub 12 flb .22 cap rounds, in an area where it is safe to shoot an air rifle. So back to the original question. I too would like to know whats available now, since some low powered caps for rats in the barns would be great to have at hand while in the fields. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddy Galore! Posted December 13, 2009 Report Share Posted December 13, 2009 don't know too much about them but what about the shot filled 22lrs? they're filled with no9 shot, will they do? whats the range on them puppies? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiff-TRG Posted December 13, 2009 Report Share Posted December 13, 2009 don't know too much about them but what about the shot filled 22lrs? they're filled with no9 shot, will they do? whats the range on them puppies? They are about the only thing worse than caps in a .22....With a rat killing range of about 4 yard (+1/-1 yard) they are next to useless unfortunately, unless you are dispatching trapped rats/squires at point blank. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddy Galore! Posted December 13, 2009 Report Share Posted December 13, 2009 They are about the only thing worse than caps in a .22....With a rat killing range of about 4 yard (+1/-1 yard) they are next to useless unfortunately, unless you are dispatching trapped rats/squires at point blank. what's the use of them then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiff-TRG Posted December 13, 2009 Report Share Posted December 13, 2009 what's the use of them then? Shooting snakes with a .22 pistol (personally I'd rather not annoy a snake...). Dispatching small trapped animals as mentioned above. Plus rats and mice at really close range. In short a specialist cartridge (or marketing gimmick...) with few real world UK applications. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamie g Posted December 13, 2009 Report Share Posted December 13, 2009 ive shot pigeons out of the tress with my hmr. BUT NOT SHOOTING UP INTO A TREE ! i was sat under a oak tree up way above the trees in the hill below. so was shooting down. i could see right through the trees i was shooting into as it was winter with no leafs on the trees. it was more then safe. i no shooting into tress is a big problem when people see it on a forum. but as long as you no what your doing and got a good view of the countryside behind your shot there is no difference in shooting a pigeon out of a tree. then there is shooting a fox on the ground down in the hilside ? like i have said its not shooting up into trees it is going down into the ground form a vantage point Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bignoel Posted December 13, 2009 Report Share Posted December 13, 2009 i tried this morning some new ammo reccomened by my fao for dispatchiing fox in live catch traps they are cb long 710 fps 29gr . and a excellent round for this and quite . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thumpersniper Posted December 13, 2009 Report Share Posted December 13, 2009 im sure the .22 shot cart would wreck your rifling would it not? If i were you i would use a .410 for squirrels in trees, i have shot a load of them with air rifles before i got an SGC and FAC and there was always something difficult about killing them outright, whearas a .410 you have the choice of the little 1" carts up to 3" so i just carry a few of each and try not to damage the tree. I don't think there would be a problem with using .22 shorts or low powered .22LR rounds though if you were sensible as you would have to be with an air rifle anyway. Just probably not all that practical im guessing! My FEO wanted me to have a .22LR rather than a 32ftlb air rifle because he isnt fond of them, in his opinion people just reguard them as a slug gun and arn't as careful as they are with a propper rifle which makes them more dangerous. SP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njc110381 Posted December 13, 2009 Author Report Share Posted December 13, 2009 Tiff - Thanks for the support. I was beginning to feel like the odd one out! I know that if I had an accident doing this I would be in deep trouble and may lose my FAC if it was proven that I had been been negligent. Having said that if I had an accident with an air rifle I would be in the same boat as it would still be a firearms issue. Just because an air gun isn't on ticket doesn't mean you wouldn't lose that ticket if you mess up with one. As for getting shooters a bad name I don't suppose the media would know the difference anyway! I'm sure in court situation the facts would be looked at and they type of gun being used would be irrelevant once the power of the round had been clarified. Fister, I think you have raised an extremely good point about some peoples lack of respect for air rifles. They may be mere spud guns when compared to some of the kit we have, but they can still cause major injuries or even death if misused. If you're going to shoot them into the air, please be sure that you have the space to do so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPARKIE Posted December 19, 2009 Report Share Posted December 19, 2009 the only other problem i can see with this idea is .22lr ammo is so inconsistant you only need 1 round in ya pack thats been over loaded and boom of goes the round and lands1/4 mile away.you wont get this with an airgun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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