fortune82 Posted January 22, 2010 Report Share Posted January 22, 2010 i still get freaked out when real "experienced handloaders" tell me to fill half the hull with powder `cos it wacks `em `ard.32g loads are slower. adding more powder just wastes money (well up to a certain point.) as well as producing over pressure cartridge, which could cause `badness` i bet the powder used in the 32 carts are different too. slower powder. 21gram carts have lots of fast burning powder. just to keep the pressure profile. when the first fibre loads came out. there was a silly amount of bloopers. WELL SAID! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaikalsRule90 Posted January 22, 2010 Report Share Posted January 22, 2010 Wow people theres a bit of a debate going on here... going back to to the original question... YES! snap them up that is a good price for any cartridge at the moment. And for close range decoying 7.5 should be fine though i would take some 6's or 5's out of pereference i would use 6's anyway only due to the fact i like my pigeon to not look like red swiss cheese as the aftermath of close range 7.5s. keep it up.. i wanna see a 20 pager haha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benelli montefeltro Posted January 22, 2010 Report Share Posted January 22, 2010 i came across this here earlier, it is from www.shotgunworld.com, an american based shooting website. "for wingshooters number 8 is the smallest pellet used. you can use it for game the size of quail or dove. size 7.5 or 6 are more effective on bigger birds like pheasant or grouse" ah ha! so i am not the only one, seems them old yanks are not as silly as many make out on here. maybe we are the idiots eh? also interesting to see they recommend a 7.5 for pheasant shooting, many in this country would look down there noses at you if you were to turn up at a pheasant shoot with 7.5s. i thought it was the yanks who done everything BIG! but it seems they maybe have there heads screwed on better when it comes to wingshooting. this country has overtaken them in regards to obsessing over large shot and lots of it to kill a relatively small bird when you have it plucked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evil Elvis Posted January 22, 2010 Report Share Posted January 22, 2010 The amount of propellant in a cartridge has nothing to do with the kinetic energy. So youre saying that 14 grains in a number 7 wont produce a different kinetic energy to a 20grain no6 cart? YOURE NUTS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted January 22, 2010 Report Share Posted January 22, 2010 i came across this here earlier, it is from www.shotgunworld.com, an american based shooting website. "for wingshooters number 8 is the smallest pellet used. you can use it for game the size of quail or dove. size 7.5 or 6 are more effective on bigger birds like pheasant or grouse" ah ha! so i am not the only one, seems them old yanks are not as silly as many make out on here. maybe we are the idiots eh? also interesting to see they recommend a 7.5 for pheasant shooting, many in this country would look down there noses at you if you were to turn up at a pheasant shoot with 7.5s. i thought it was the yanks who done everything BIG! but it seems they maybe have there heads screwed on better when it comes to wingshooting. this country has overtaken them in regards to obsessing over large shot and lots of it to kill a relatively small bird when you have it plucked. Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear. Does anyone else apart from me think that an American website might just use American shot sizes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted January 22, 2010 Report Share Posted January 22, 2010 i came across this here earlier, it is from www.shotgunworld.com, an american based shooting website. "for wingshooters number 8 is the smallest pellet used. you can use it for game the size of quail or dove. size 7.5 or 6 are more effective on bigger birds like pheasant or grouse" ah ha! so i am not the only one, seems them old yanks are not as silly as many make out on here. maybe we are the idiots eh? also interesting to see they recommend a 7.5 for pheasant shooting, many in this country would look down there noses at you if you were to turn up at a pheasant shoot with 7.5s. i thought it was the yanks who done everything BIG! but it seems they maybe have there heads screwed on better when it comes to wingshooting. this country has overtaken them in regards to obsessing over large shot and lots of it to kill a relatively small bird when you have it plucked. i`m afraid, us shot sizes are different. they are one larger, they level up at some point. what you should be looking at is shot per oz. there #7 is our #6. which if i`m not mistaken, our `most ethical choice` size of pigeon cartridge. http://www.hallowellco.com/shot_size_chart.htm uk #7.5 would be suitable for dove. -<shakes head>- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC Posted January 22, 2010 Report Share Posted January 22, 2010 i`m afraid, us shot sizes are different. they are one larger, they level up at some point. what you should be looking at is shot per oz.there #7 is our #6. which if i`m not mistaken, our `most ethical choice` size of pigeon cartridge. http://www.hallowellco.com/shot_size_chart.htm uk #7.5 would be suitable for dove. -<shakes head>- Cookoff, Don't waste your time, benelliboy will be along in a minute to tell you that you are taking gibberish and don't know what you are talking about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSS Posted January 22, 2010 Report Share Posted January 22, 2010 (edited) Benelli knows best He just doest know when to stop! Edited January 22, 2010 by SSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benelli montefeltro Posted January 22, 2010 Report Share Posted January 22, 2010 why thankyou very much gentlemen. i see you have seen common sense at last then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSS Posted January 22, 2010 Report Share Posted January 22, 2010 (edited) No benelli, we havnt seen sense, its just no-one likes you Edited January 22, 2010 by SSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC Posted January 22, 2010 Report Share Posted January 22, 2010 (edited) why thankyou very much gentlemen. i see you have seen common sense at last then By common sense, I assume you mean trying to educate the uneducated into the proper ways of shooting pigeons. Try and keep up Benelliboy. You will learn if you keep reading. Edited January 22, 2010 by MC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted January 22, 2010 Report Share Posted January 22, 2010 why thankyou very much gentlemen. i see you have seen common sense at last then I think Saint Jude must have done as well and legged it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chunkyed Posted January 22, 2010 Report Share Posted January 22, 2010 No benelli, we havnt seen sense, its just no-one likes you If we join together and complain do you think he could get banned off the site??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benelli montefeltro Posted January 22, 2010 Report Share Posted January 22, 2010 No benelli, we havnt seen sense, its just no-one likes you i can see this debate is becoming more intelligent by the minute Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSS Posted January 22, 2010 Report Share Posted January 22, 2010 It couldnt get much less intelligent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benelli montefeltro Posted January 22, 2010 Report Share Posted January 22, 2010 If we join together and complain do you think he could get banned off the site??? ok, could someone seriously explain to me the animosity towards me on here? i mean i will go right now if anybody can show me where i have been overly nasty, or been a smatt alec? i genuinely believe the animosity is because i stated a few facts on here which made people think outside of there ideal little shooting world where everybody shoots heavy stuff to kill a small bird. and the fact i didnt back down to all you guys"greater knowledge" would that be right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC Posted January 22, 2010 Report Share Posted January 22, 2010 i can see this debate is becoming more intelligent by the minute It would if only you would stop posting. Benelliboy, Could you ask your dad what sort of cartridges would be best for shooting ducks? I am out wildfowling tomorrow and after 20 or so years I am not sure. Perhaps you could help Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rascal_2005 Posted January 22, 2010 Report Share Posted January 22, 2010 no it really could........i could join in...... oopps too late Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSS Posted January 22, 2010 Report Share Posted January 22, 2010 (edited) It would if only you would stop posting. Benelliboy, Could you ask your dad what sort of cartridges would be best for shooting ducks? I am out wildfowling tomorrow and after 20 or so years I am not sure. Perhaps you could help MC, he might say 24 gram 8, lead of course EDIT: But is that an american 8 or an english 8? Edited January 22, 2010 by SSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildfowler.250 Posted January 22, 2010 Report Share Posted January 22, 2010 I haven't read all 13 pages However my preferred cartridge for pigeons/crows is a (decent) 28gram 7.5,(even if 30 gram 6's are an option..). If your comfortable with the load then that's half the battle... Each to their own Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chunkyed Posted January 22, 2010 Report Share Posted January 22, 2010 (edited) ok, could someone seriously explain to me the animosity towards me on here? i mean i will go right now if anybody can show me where i have been overly nasty, or been a smatt alec? i genuinely believe the animosity is because i stated a few facts on here which made people think outside of there ideal little shooting world where everybody shoots heavy stuff to kill a small bird. and the fact i didnt back down to all you guys"greater knowledge" would that be right? If people have the deccentcy to post then listen to there advise. Not hard really is it no need to make a show of it Edited January 22, 2010 by chunkyed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fortune82 Posted January 22, 2010 Report Share Posted January 22, 2010 So youre saying that 14 grains in a number 7 wont produce a different kinetic energy to a 20grain no6 cart? YOURE NUTS I dont think you really understand what goes on in a cartridge ballistically. 1. 28 gram cartridges are almost always faster than 32 gram cartridges. 2. Yes a 32 gram cartridge will contain more propellant by weight and more weight of shot. Follow this:- A 28 gram cartridge exiting the muzzle at 1400 fps will generate a muzzle energy of 1876.244 ft/lb A 32 gram cartridge exiting the muzzle at 1300 fps will generate a muzzle energy of 1846.748 ft/lb What has the weight of the propellant got to do with it? There is no need to get upset and call me nuts simply because you find calculations hard to understand. Hope this helps! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benelli montefeltro Posted January 22, 2010 Report Share Posted January 22, 2010 il say this before i leave this topic as it is getting tiresome now teaching you guys. i can kill pigeons with 7,5s 28g. consistently at range. you guys say it cannot be done, but i know that it can. so you see i know who is WRONG! you would know too if you ever tried them yourself, but you are to afraid of the unknown. oh and mc, whenever you have represented your country at shooting, and reached AA class, then i may give your shooting knowledge a little more credit. but i wouuld doubt it. some people are just ignorant i guess. you most certinly are Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC Posted January 22, 2010 Report Share Posted January 22, 2010 ok, could someone seriously explain to me the animosity towards me on here? i mean i will go right now if anybody can show me where i have been overly nasty, or been a smatt alec? i genuinely believe the animosity is because i stated a few facts on here which made people think outside of there ideal little shooting world where everybody shoots heavy stuff to kill a small bird. and the fact i didnt back down to all you guys"greater knowledge" would that be right? It is because of your attitude towards everybody, read the above post again and tell us what you would think if someone else posted that. Smart Alec? you were the one who harped on about being an AA class shooter and then can't / won't back it up. You also show your ignorance in posting such things as "where everybody shoots heavy stuff to kill a small bird." Where as in reality a pigeon maybe physically small but it is a fairly hardy bird and at times takes some killing. My argument with using 7.5's is and has always been what do you do if the birds aren't 25 yards out all the time? you run the risk of injuring more than you kill cleanly with smaller shot/loads. You also didn't back down when faced with facts, you just kept arguing. Even when the facts came from one of the oldest and probably most knowledgable cartridge manufacturer there is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evil Elvis Posted January 22, 2010 Report Share Posted January 22, 2010 (edited) There is no need to get upset and call me nuts simply because you find calculations hard to understand. I simply mean that you are nuts if you expect me to believe that 14grains of powder with no7's will produce the same kinetic energy as a 20grain no 6 cartridge, im not actually saying that you are nuts full stop!! Its not about the speed, its about momentum, the speed is irrelevant, the heavier no6 will have more transferred kinetic energy at impact than a no 7 which would deliver a higher amount of energy at the point of impact which is what does the most damage ................its all about physics not ballistics Edited January 22, 2010 by Evil Elvis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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