Millomite Posted October 10, 2005 Report Share Posted October 10, 2005 They have just had a mother and father on whose son was killed by a youth with an air rifle. They are calling for a total ban on air guns and have a doctor supporting them. Fern said there is not use for air guns except larking about and target practice. I have emailed them my disgust to tell them that in safe hands they are an efficient pest control tool. http://www.itv-thismorning.co.uk/ContactUs.aspx Thats the link to email them too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mimic Posted October 10, 2005 Report Share Posted October 10, 2005 (edited) Your message has been sent to: thismorning@thismorning.co.uk this is bull i have shot respocibly for years how dare they lump us all in together Its like there are wreckless drivers on the road it doesnt mean EVERYONE is a wreckless driver this is just insulting An now i Truely fear we maybe seeing the begining of the end to our airgunning days We have got to KICK UP A MASSIVE STINK forward this link to other forums make sure everyone responds! If you have a second or third email you can complain from Use them Edited October 10, 2005 by mimic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNAKEBITE Posted October 10, 2005 Report Share Posted October 10, 2005 How about EVERYONE replying to the program airing their disgust? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurch Posted October 10, 2005 Report Share Posted October 10, 2005 OK, but key thing is be polite. Won't do any good if we all just go off on one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNAKEBITE Posted October 10, 2005 Report Share Posted October 10, 2005 I have written my e-mail. I was polite and stated that any one caught illegally using an airgun should be dealt with harshly BUT to sugest a complete ban is ridiculous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lurcherboy Posted October 10, 2005 Report Share Posted October 10, 2005 I have sent a polite e-mail giving my sympathies to the parents and pointing out to the presenters that they have a duty to give an INFORMED opinion that their many viewers deserve. Not some off the cuff remark. LB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferret Master Posted October 10, 2005 Report Share Posted October 10, 2005 Hi, Good one LB. I can't find any mention of it on the site though. FM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mimic Posted October 10, 2005 Report Share Posted October 10, 2005 Mps are considering a TOTAL ban and at this stage it has not been ruled out This is a sad sad day we all know whats comming Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferret Master Posted October 10, 2005 Report Share Posted October 10, 2005 Hi, What is likely to happen FM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mimic Posted October 10, 2005 Report Share Posted October 10, 2005 (edited) Hi, What is likely to happen :( FM http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_...573945#continue At this stage im not sure i am PRAYING what will happen is they will introduce either a licence for your existing weapon or make restrictions on buying them maybe put the age up to 21 or something What i Fear a Total recall of all airguns and a ban on there sale like they did with handguns with posibly no compensation meaning i loose not only my hobby but a large investment Quote SCOTLAND’S police forces are launching a campaign to get people to hand over their airguns in the wake of the death of Glasgow toddler Andrew Morton, Jack McConnell announced yesterday. There are thought to be as many as 400,000 air weapons in Scotland and anybody with an airgun will be asked to think about whether they really need it and, if not, to hand it in to a police station to be destroyed :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o Edited October 11, 2005 by mimic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNAKEBITE Posted October 11, 2005 Report Share Posted October 11, 2005 Hi, Good one LB. I can't find any mention of it on the site though. FM You won't do because it is a fair and balanced view, not sensationalism. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Country Boy Posted October 11, 2005 Report Share Posted October 11, 2005 The licensing of air weapons and an amnesty for the law abiding not wishing to license would ensure that all new and used sales/transfers were recorded, and might go a small way in reducing the incidence of both accidental and intentional shootings. Of course it would not significantly reduce the overall number of air weapons now in circulation and the mindless yobs who blight society would simply carry on regardless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lord_seagrave Posted October 11, 2005 Report Share Posted October 11, 2005 Seems simple enough - sale and transfer of airguns recorded using the serial number of the gun. Of course, the question is who is going to pay for the Air Gun Licensing Authority? LS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highlander Posted October 11, 2005 Report Share Posted October 11, 2005 The licensing of air weapons and an amnesty for the law abiding not wishing to license would ensure that all new and used sales/transfers were recorded, and might go a small way in reducing the incidence of both accidental and intentional shootings.Of course it would not significantly reduce the overall number of air weapons now in circulation and the mindless yobs who blight society would simply carry on regardless. The mindless yobs who blight society are those people who think that by licensing everything they'll stop the crimes. Criminals with guns (of any sort) or indeed anything else such as vehicles that should be licensed DO NOT have/need/get licenses. When will people learn. All they do is persecute the law abiding citizens who make up the backbone of this country. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evilv Posted October 11, 2005 Report Share Posted October 11, 2005 The licensing of air weapons and an amnesty for the law abiding not wishing to license would ensure that all new and used sales/transfers were recorded, and might go a small way in reducing the incidence of both accidental and intentional shootings.Of course it would not significantly reduce the overall number of air weapons now in circulation and the mindless yobs who blight society would simply carry on regardless. The mindless yobs who blight society are those people who think that by licensing everything they'll stop the crimes. Criminals with guns (of any sort) or indeed anything else such as vehicles that should be licensed DO NOT have/need/get licenses. When will people learn. All they do is persecute the law abiding citizens who make up the backbone of this country. Took the words right out of my mouth. Licensing will have no effect whatever on gun crime. Have handgun offences declined since all legal handguns were removed from circulation? You know the figures as well as I do. Pure populist politics - a chance for worthless TV presenters and unprincipled politicians to go home at night and say, 'I pretended to be some use again - and got away with it for another day.' You don't think that ***** Mconnell believes he's going to save lives do you? It's all about staying in the gravy train. Press the right buttons and a stupid electorate might just keep you in the £150K job for another few years. ********! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spider.20 Posted October 11, 2005 Report Share Posted October 11, 2005 hey guys new user here. jus sent my email to the link posted. It always ****** me off wen some one duz some thing to put another dent in the already tarnished reputation of an other wise noble sport! :< i liked scofield better wne he was in the broom cupboard. spider Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurch Posted October 12, 2005 Report Share Posted October 12, 2005 When will people learn. Never. People are quick to blame or demonise an object just as quickly now as they ever were in the Dark Ages. Much easier than facing up the fact that some people are just wrong 'uns, or facing up to the fact that people must accept the consequences of their actions - a fundemental part of freedom. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mimic Posted October 13, 2005 Report Share Posted October 13, 2005 (edited) Heads up Its coming Get your guns now Quick time Cuz in the next few months u aint gunner be able to, Its not happened yet but its certainly going to, I am not joking BUY IT THIS WEEK! obtaining permits for guns we already own hopefully wont be as bad as trying to aquire fresh ones I would urge to take my advice! Click here The new rules will mean that anyone who buys an air weapon will have to apply for a permit, provide their details to the authorities and give a satisfactory explanation as to why they need a gun. The first stage of the crackdown would apply only to the purchase of new weapons but Mr McConnell then wants to go further and extend the permit system to the owners of all existing airguns in Scotland We are gunner be next and this means our hobby is in Deep Deep **** Edited October 13, 2005 by mimic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spider.20 Posted October 13, 2005 Report Share Posted October 13, 2005 holly ****! just read that article you put up the like for mimic. they make air guns sound like a desise! redusing to a "manigable number" they make it out like we'r the vermin! :< the actual "licenceing" don't sound too bad but the over all attitude is just wrong i bet most of these chaps making up this new legislation have never even seen an air rifle apart from on tv. not quit at the " from my cold dead hands!" yet but i winds me right up. spider Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNAKEBITE Posted October 13, 2005 Report Share Posted October 13, 2005 The new rules will mean that anyone who buys an air weapon will have to apply for a permit, provide their details to the authorities and give a satisfactory explanation as to why they need a gun. I know it is a contencious issue but is this not a good thing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mimic Posted October 13, 2005 Report Share Posted October 13, 2005 (edited) well snake that all depends on what they are going to deam as Resonable Grounds for requiring one ,I dont mind licensing even registering with the police if it will help curb incidents such as that todlers.. But what im conserned most about is will club use and Pest control qualify for keeping it. If it doesnt we will all need to have a long carefull think about the reasons we can provide as to why we Require our guns. Any other sujestions welcome! ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I am currently considering a partition and trying to convince not just other shooters to sign but members of the public that We Responcible shooters should be allowed to keep our hobby and not have it destroyed by an isolated few But i will make my point clear to all that the Responcible shooters are OUT raged and generaly discusted at the mis use of airguns, We do infact support action against Such wreckless indaviduals But feel those of us (the majority) who Respect the law should not be tared with the same brush and forced to give up our Hobby. I think this is a fare point and im sure i can get people to sign in agreement. perhaps between us we could collect a partition for our local Areas and merge them together in the hopes of creating something substancial. Edited October 13, 2005 by mimic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fisherman Mike Posted October 13, 2005 Report Share Posted October 13, 2005 I think I might point out to FERN that being Obese kills more people than Air rifles. Although this is an obtuse analogy Suicide is still a crime. ! FM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axe Posted October 13, 2005 Report Share Posted October 13, 2005 I am not concerned by this at all. I have no reason to worry about the licensing should it ever arrive in England. If it helps to keep the idiots away from airguns its a good thing. As far as reasons for ownership are concerned, target shooting and pest control are the only reasons, arent they? What other sensible reason is there? To be honest, I don't see how the permit system is really going to cure the problems. Its just the Scots way of trying to make a difference due to the home office not responding. Nothing will stop a person lying about the reason for use, so hows it really going to help. The only real way to make a difference is to subject the 12ft/l airgun to the full criteria of the FAC and SGC, period. Regards, Axe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mimic Posted October 13, 2005 Report Share Posted October 13, 2005 (edited) I am not concerned by this at all. I have no reason to worry about the licensing should it ever arrive in England. If it helps to keep the idiots away from airguns its a good thing. As far as reasons for ownership are concerned, target shooting and pest control are the only reasons, arent they? What other sensible reason is there? To be honest, I don't see how the permit system is really going to cure the problems. Its just the Scots way of trying to make a difference due to the home office not responding. Nothing will stop a person lying about the reason for use, so hows it really going to help. The only real way to make a difference is to subject the 12ft/l airgun to the full criteria of the FAC and SGC, period. Regards, Axe. if they do that it will kill the hobby, that would mean people would have complete 6 months probation at a club , Provide all the necisary storage arangements, Pay for there memebership Licence and inspection, All this just to shoot a few pellets down a tunnel at 12 ftlbs, when you can still walk into a shop and buy a 150 ftlb crossbow or harpoon gun all thats gunner happen is a shift in the preference of weapon used. The most important point is the Fac would only really affect the type of people who are not going to mis using their guns in the first place, the actual idiots wont bother to register it just seems like Well ok lets Punish the good ones for what the bad ones did an just leave the bad ones the same... Edited October 13, 2005 by mimic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNAKEBITE Posted October 13, 2005 Report Share Posted October 13, 2005 THe reason for use could be a club membership card, or a written permission for a shoot, or a statment that your property needs vermin control (backed up by a police permission possibly) This is not going to be foolproof but what is? Plus the fact that the rifle must be delivered to the address given and signed for. Not exactly practical I know but a sugestion. How are they going to cope with the second hand market? Are you going to have to go the same way as FAC holders?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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