Swarovski and Ziess scopes on rifles with moderators

[gixer1]

Folks,

 

I was speaking to a friend today who was at a local SGA meeting, at this meeting was the owner of a buisness up here called precision rifles (who has a very good reputation for knowing his stuff)

 

My freind was saying that a point was brought up regarding Swarovski and Ziess withrawing warranties on there scopes if used on rifles (centrefire) with moderators due to the recoil damaging reticules.

 

I myself have a moderated 243 with a Swarovski PV sitting on top so am keen to know if anyone else has heard anything?

 

Has anyone heard of this?

 

Regards,

 

Gixer

[Mr_Logic]

Hogwash. That's rubbish, these are top European scopes. The recoil from a rifle with moderator is considerably less than without anyway, so how does that work?

[hendersons]

sounds like somebody has been sharing a pipe with harnser

[Oly]

Does your friend have a score to settle with you??

Edited March 25, 2010 by Oly

[Mungler]

Absolute 100% windup.

 

Aside from it just being plain daft, if you look at the Swaro and S&B websites, you will see that in all of their advertising shots the scopes are on unmoderated rifles.

[Dunkield]

you will see that in all of their advertising shots the scopes are on unmoderated rifles.

He said moderated.

 

Gixer, tell you mate it's next Thursday not this Thursday

[Dekers]

As already said the recoil on a moderated rifle should be less than a unmoderated rifle.

 

Simply doesn't add up!

[MC]

As already said the recoil on a moderated rifle should be less than a unmoderated rifle.

 

Simply doesn't add up!

 

 

You would think so wouldn't you?

 

However it may be less but it is also different. I can remember using a scope designed for a centrefire rifle on a spring air rifle and it shook it to bits. I was told it was because the recoil was different on a spring air rifle.

 

Although having said that I would expect a Swarovski or Zeiss to be able to handle whatever was thrown at it recoilwise.

[Browning]

I've had a Swaro on my 'Sound Modified' stalking rifle for 10 years now.

 

First 8 years it was on a .270Win, the past two years a .260Rem.

 

I think someone is winding you up Gixer

[harv]

may not be a wind up at all rather than recoil what about resonance

[Dunkield]

It's cobblers on every level.

Does anyone honestly think those manufacturers are going to check which gun you used the scope on?

What are they going to do, send a local agent to have a look inside in your cabinet if you make a claim

[Mungler]

He said moderated.

 

Gixer, tell you mate it's next Thursday not this Thursday

 

 

I had read the opening post and assumed it would have been the other way round.

 

Strange

[Dekers]

You would think so wouldn't you?

 

However it may be less but it is also different. I can remember using a scope designed for a centrefire rifle on a spring air rifle and it shook it to bits. I was told it was because the recoil was different on a spring air rifle.

 

Although having said that I would expect a Swarovski or Zeiss to be able to handle whatever was thrown at it recoilwise.

 

 

You would think so wouldn't you ...I've not looked but is there anything on their websites or in their instructions/warranty paperwork with their scopes about this?

 

I'm struggling to understand why we are all talking about this, seems like an April 1st gag that has escaped a bit early to me!!

[Dekers]

It's cobblers on every level.

Does anyone honestly think those manufacturers are going to check which gun you used the scope on?

What are they going to do, send a local agent to have a look inside in your cabinet if you make a claim

 

 

My feelings entirely...

[Dekers]

may not be a wind up at all rather than recoil what about resonance

 

 

Yep it may be, but we are also talking Swarovski or Zeiss!!

 

It isn't just the glass we pay their crazy prices for, this will destroy them as companies if it is true.....

 

That will be £2000 please sir, oh yes, don't put it on a rifle with a moderator fitted or we will not honour the warranty!

 

Not the best sales pitch I have ever heard

 

Actually..is this industrial espionage, Leupold, Scmidt & Bender, Nightforce, Nikon, whatever, trying to get rid of some opposition???

 

The rumors will be rife now...

[harv]

It's cobblers on every level.

Does anyone honestly think those manufacturers are going to check which gun you used the scope on?

What are they going to do, send a local agent to have a look inside in your cabinet if you make a claim

 

no just ask for a copy of your certificate with your claim form

 

why doesnt someone contact them rather than me wind you swaro /zeiss owners up all day

[harv]

right you lazy buggas!

just spoke to zeiss at welwyn garden city 01707-871200 Joseph Begsboel and has confirmed it will be written into new guarantees but will not affect already owned, he could or wouldnt offer an opinion on swaro though but if you contact him he

will e-mail a copy of the new guarantee and explanation as to why

harv

[sako751sg]

Buy a Nightforce instead.Typical **** european sheeeet.

[al4x]

if its found there is a problem then you can expect them all to follow suit, interesting though as never heard of moderators being an issue.

[gixer1]

...And to think you all doubted me!....

 

As i said i'm as interested as I have a Habicht PV sitting ontop of a moderated 243!

Edited March 26, 2010 by gixer1

[gixer1]

...and thanks for confirming harv.......now i don't look like an April fools joker!

 

It does however make all the people who said "cobblers" look a bit silly...

Edited March 26, 2010 by gixer1

[al4x]

they won't be able to re write existing guarantees so shouldn't affect you at all. But I can see it killing them in the UK market who wants a scope you can't use with a moderator

Edited March 26, 2010 by al4x

[Billy.]

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No mention of sound mods and this is the warranty given on a scope.

Edited March 26, 2010 by harfordwmj

[sako751sg]

...And to think you all doubted me!....

 

I never for one minute. Well,i did but i thought i would let everyone else tell you whilst i just thought it.

[Billy.]

Just read the above post from Harv...

 

Hmmm... Very interesting and extremely odd.

 

Nevertheless, how on earth can they prove you were shooting with a mod on your rifle?!!