retromlc Posted March 29, 2010 Report Share Posted March 29, 2010 If it was me i'd speak to the land owner,not bitch about the farm hand but ask for clarification,mention that the farm hand seems to be very robust in his actions regarding the shooting and see what happens,the landowner will prob have a quiet word with him and tell him to come to an arrangement of communication with you about where your're gonna be and when,simple,good luck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
here iam Posted March 29, 2010 Report Share Posted March 29, 2010 He is just trying to scare you of fella so he as it all for himself and is mates, if its worth keeping and you have written permission stick to your guns next time you see the farmer just tell him some sad ******* was swearing at you the other day for shooting is pests Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harnser Posted March 29, 2010 Report Share Posted March 29, 2010 Its very difficult when something like this happens . Over the years I have cultivated a friendship with my farmer friend and have the exclusive shooting to over 3000 acres of prime norfolk farmland . My friend will not give permission to any body to shoot on the farms without my consultation . Fourtunately my friend has no interest in shooting what so ever and if any body asks to shoot the farms he will ask them for their number and then ask me to phone them if I need a hand with the pigeon shooting and the deer control . This type of relation ship with a farmer takes a while to come to fruition but is not difficult . Its proberly easier when the farmer has no interest in shooting himself . Being a nice man my friend dont like having to refuse anybody ,so he has put me in charge of all shooting on the estate and it is easier for him to just refer every enquiry to me , This arrangement suits us both very well . Incidently I have enlisted the help of guns from this forum to help me this winter on the rape . The shooting has been a bit thin on the ground but hopefully we will be able to make up for the bad days on the rape stubble . Sorry I went on a bit but if I was in this situation I would have to speak to the farmer and explain what had gone on . Harnser . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jollysp2 Posted March 29, 2010 Report Share Posted March 29, 2010 this happened 30 years ago,i was out with a mate shooting on his land,same thing happened, young chap shouting his mouth off, my mate went up to him and beat the the day lights out of him.he had 2 black eyes split nose,broken teeth.but never again did he shoot his mouth off.good lesson. Exactly what he'd of got from me it's not like you was doing anything wrong. ******* ****** in my eyes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fisherman Mike Posted March 29, 2010 Report Share Posted March 29, 2010 If he works on the Farm then you are likely to be the loser if you go to see the Farmer.All of us have had to share land over the years and had some uncooperative "pigeon shooters" to contend with. Its best to try to avoid them and if it gets too bad, then look for somewhere else. The alternatives are really not worth the bother. Quite right, sound advice...just console yourself that you are probably on a higher mental plane than this Troglodyte Neanderthal. On one of the Major Estates which I shoot over the Estate office isues a permit with a passport photo on it, theres no chance of any confusion with the land owner or any third party. We tell the owner when we arrive where we are shooting and when we leave. Should have got the guys registration number and reported it to the local FLO saying you suspected illegal poaching. They may have been valid but at least you would have some retribution. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toombsy Posted March 29, 2010 Author Report Share Posted March 29, 2010 (edited) Well, I'll be out there Wednesday, Thursday and Friday. He knows what car I drive so he'll know what field I'm in... We'll just have to see what happens.... I'll keep you informed, but don't expect news of him getting a good kicking, cos that ain't going to happen. There's no way I am losing that land or my certificates for an idiot like that Edited March 29, 2010 by Toombsy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gutter Posted March 29, 2010 Report Share Posted March 29, 2010 Had an interesting meeting with a fellow ( and I use the team Lightly),shooter while out pigeon shooting recently.I was stood in a hedge under a good line of pigeons on a very windy day and the sport (sorry, Crop Protection!), was rapid. Saw a guy walking along the hedge towards me semi- auto under his arm and occasionly stopping and knealing which i soon realised he was checking some already set snares. Anyway he came right up to me and i did not reconise him but thought i would be polite and ask if he had Caught any rabbits?. Strait away he asked if i had permision to shoot pigeons on this land? and i replied that i had. You Carnt have he said as he did all the rabbits and Pigeons on this land and i had to leave strait away! He also added thad he had shot there for years and no one else had permission. Who gave you Permission he asked? The Land owner i said! Well thats not right he said and i must leave before he rings the Police. Ring them I said! but before you do, i added ,you better check out who the landowner is? Whos that he said Sharply? Me I Said. He suddenly became very quite and went very pale. He then added, But are you sure youve got permison to shoot the rabbits and pigeons? Well yes I Said, I Supose if you own the land and have done for the past 12 years I expect the Ive Earned the right to shoot on the land! Well im not happy he said and the marched off! Not seen him since but noticed his snares have gone!. Also if he had asked probly would have let him snare and shoot anyway but maybe not now! Best wishes and Happy hunting Pippin Pup A classic response "excellent" I would have laughed my socks off on that one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MerseaDavid Posted March 29, 2010 Report Share Posted March 29, 2010 One of the farms I used to shoot had a nice sized wood that was perfect for shooting pigeons and the land had a few guys who shot it but we all knew each other and we were happy to leave each other to shoot unless there were so many birds and we would invite each other to join in on the shooting. But one day a guy turned up and just set up without saying hi or anything and he just started shooting, I ignored him and let him carry on, but when I fired my first shot since he turned up he came storming out of his hide (gun in hand) and started shouting and swearing at me, saying he was there first etc and he told me to **** off. I ignored him and tried to be as polite as I could, I asked him if he had permission to shoot the land and he said he had it for years. So I said fare enough but on the off chance I called the farmer (land/owner) and he said he had never hered of him, but to let him shoot for the day. I packed up and let him stay, but the next weekend he was there and again he started shouting and pointing his gun at me so I phoned the farmer and let him know and he said he would sort it. I saw the farmer later that day and he said that the guy lived near the wood and he had never seen him before and if I saw him again to let the police know. I dont like to stop other people shooting or anything but people like him dont deserve to own a gun let alone shoot the land etc. But he did get sorted out lol. I spoke to the farmer about a month after all this and he said that a police officer had came down asking for permission to shoot the pigeons and the farmer said yes but warned him about this guy so the officer said he would sort it out if the guy turned up. the next day the officer was set up on the pea field up against the would when this guy came walking out of the would with a gun tucked under his arm and headed towards the officers hide and straight away he started shouting and swearing at the officer and started to point the gun at the officer saying he was going to call the police and get him done for armed tresspass and then the officer stood up and said there is no need and showed the guy his badge and then arrested him and the guy ended up loosing his licence and guns and I have not seen him since. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pigeon chasser Posted March 29, 2010 Report Share Posted March 29, 2010 excatly the same thing happened to me on saturday and it did give me the hump. but i've gotta say i did act very childish and did the same thing back everytime he had a bird come near (i know i shouldn't of but was about to pack up anyway) but speaking to the fella that gives out the permission on the land i shoot he said i should either go over and find out who he is so he knows if he was even aloud to be shooting or phoned the police as he was right in the hedge next to a main road ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad93 Posted March 29, 2010 Report Share Posted March 29, 2010 (edited) Had a similar situation while shooting on a game shoot where i do aload of beating, it was beaters day, and we all had our guns in our slips, as were all crossing a bit of land we have permission to walk up, but not shoot over. We see a couple of trucks pull up to us, and two blokes proceed to get out of their vehicles, and tell us we have no right to be on this land shouting and swearing, bearing in mind its four beaters all under the age of 17 at the time who just do a bit of beating. This bloke obviously thought he would try and threaten us, but when i told him to speak to the shoot captain over the walkie talkies he promptly said he didnt need to because we didnt have permission and he would be phoning the farmer and the police and ****** off! All went back to the farm, turns out this bloke is nothing more than a pompous farm hand that drives a tractor part time and shoots some rabbits and the farmer told us to tell him to **** off next time I spoke to the farmer about a month after all this and he said that a police officer had came down asking for permission to shoot the pigeons and the farmer said yes but warned him about this guy so the officer said he would sort it out if the guy turned up. the next day the officer was set up on the pea field up against the would when this guy came walking out of the would with a gun tucked under his arm and headed towards the officers hide and straight away he started shouting and swearing at the officer and started to point the gun at the officer saying he was going to call the police and get him done for armed tresspass and then the officer stood up and said there is no need and showed the guy his badge and then arrested him and the guy ended up loosing his licence and guns and I have not seen him since. Serves the blighter right! Edited March 29, 2010 by Brad93 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest beechris Posted March 30, 2010 Report Share Posted March 30, 2010 One of the farms I used to shoot had a nice sized wood that was perfect for shooting pigeons and the land had a few guys who shot it but we all knew each other and we were happy to leave each other to shoot unless there were so many birds and we would invite each other to join in on the shooting.But one day a guy turned up and just set up without saying hi or anything and he just started shooting, I ignored him and let him carry on, but when I fired my first shot since he turned up he came storming out of his hide (gun in hand) and started shouting and swearing at me, saying he was there first etc and he told me to **** off. I ignored him and tried to be as polite as I could, I asked him if he had permission to shoot the land and he said he had it for years. So I said fare enough but on the off chance I called the farmer (land/owner) and he said he had never hered of him, but to let him shoot for the day. I packed up and let him stay, but the next weekend he was there and again he started shouting and pointing his gun at me so I phoned the farmer and let him know and he said he would sort it. I saw the farmer later that day and he said that the guy lived near the wood and he had never seen him before and if I saw him again to let the police know. I dont like to stop other people shooting or anything but people like him dont deserve to own a gun let alone shoot the land etc. But he did get sorted out lol. I spoke to the farmer about a month after all this and he said that a police officer had came down asking for permission to shoot the pigeons and the farmer said yes but warned him about this guy so the officer said he would sort it out if the guy turned up. the next day the officer was set up on the pea field up against the would when this guy came walking out of the would with a gun tucked under his arm and headed towards the officers hide and straight away he started shouting and swearing at the officer and started to point the gun at the officer saying he was going to call the police and get him done for armed tresspass and then the officer stood up and said there is no need and showed the guy his badge and then arrested him and the guy ended up loosing his licence and guns and I have not seen him since. classic, great one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arjimlad Posted March 31, 2010 Report Share Posted March 31, 2010 What a shame some people were never taught to share ! Where I shoot, it is a positive advantage to have more than one gun out & about as it keeps the birds nicely on the move. I've never had an altercation with another shooter, thankfully. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest beechris Posted March 31, 2010 Report Share Posted March 31, 2010 i share my permission with about 4 other guys, we try to get in the fields together and spread over the fields as mentioned above, but not every shooter is a decent chap, like the one who shot my bee hive killing the queen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imperfection Posted March 31, 2010 Report Share Posted March 31, 2010 I dont mind other people shooting nearby to me because it keeps the birds moving so works in your intrest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gsm1968 Posted March 31, 2010 Report Share Posted March 31, 2010 i share my permission with about 4 other guys, we try to get in the fields together and spread over the fields as mentioned above, but not every shooter is a decent chap, like the one who shot my bee hive killing the queen What an absolute sphincter, I hope you did your best to get his permision removed. In fact firearm related vandalism ? What would the penalty be? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest beechris Posted March 31, 2010 Report Share Posted March 31, 2010 What an absolute sphincter, I hope you did your best to get his permision removed. In fact firearm related vandalism ? What would the penalty be? i dont know who done it, but ive informed the farmer and told him that it was a non-plastic wad, and ive removed the bees, so the farmer has lost out. i would like to see if they do it again in the summer as the bees will get their own back . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluebarrels Posted March 31, 2010 Report Share Posted March 31, 2010 Yeah - you're spot on there mate. I knew it wouldn't be worth arguing about, so I just packed up and walked away. No real harm done though - the pigeons will be back and so will I You did the right thing by walking away better to loose a days shooting,than confront him and loose the permission all together the bloke sounds like a complete ***** but as said already,hes got the landowners ear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MicMac Posted April 8, 2010 Report Share Posted April 8, 2010 You did the right thing by walking away better to loose a days shooting,than confront him and loose the permission all together the bloke sounds like a complete ***** but as said already,hes got the landowners ear. hi guys a little trick iv found keeps me well in with all the farmers land i shoot on is i offer some free labour when they are busy, mainly in the summer. suprising how persuasive it can be. shoot over around 2000 acres and still keep getting it mainly through getting on with farmers. when these arguments occur, as they always do, who's side will the farmer take. MINE every time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terrierist Posted April 12, 2010 Report Share Posted April 12, 2010 I'll keep you informed, but don't expect news of him getting a good kicking, cos that ain't going to happen. There's no way I am losing that land or my certificates for an idiot like that Toombsy, you Sir are a gentleman. You value your shooting and your certificate. I feel the only way forward is to have a quiet word with the person who owns the land and ask for a written permission to be signed. State your reason as " In case I am challenged by a police officer or other official, so they do not have to come and bother you when you are busy." I am really fortunate that my mate is the keeper and I always call him the night prior to me shooting, I ALWAYS get a call from him after the first couple of shots making sure it is me out.. Maybe as you get to know the landowner, and he gives you his number (you may have it already?) a quick call to let him know you're out and doing? This way if the gimp with the attitude turns up, you have a) written permission from his employer and b ) verbal confirmation. That way you can politely say, "I've checked with your superiors, jog on..." People like this annoy me and as stated previously, should not be allowed to posess a certificate. Morons. Good on you Toombsy! Kev Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nicelydoesit Posted April 22, 2010 Report Share Posted April 22, 2010 hi guys a little trick iv found keeps me well in with all the farmers land i shoot on is i offer some free labour when they are busy, mainly in the summer. suprising how persuasive it can be. shoot over around 2000 acres and still keep getting it mainly through getting on with farmers. when these arguments occur, as they always do, who's side will the farmer take. MINE every time thats a good tip is that. i think ill try it to gain some land when ive insurences sorted as im restricted to club land only. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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